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This is Unusual

October 14th, 2025 by John Mansfield

As I write, it is Tuesday morning. Russell Nelson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints died Saturday night, Sept. 27. That was two weeks plus two days and a night ago. His funeral and burial were Tuesday, Oct. 7, which was seven days ago. When he died the quorum of the First Presidency was dissolved. Seventeen days since Pres. Nelson’s death and seven days since his burial, the First Presidency has not yet been reorganized. This is unusual.

Following the deaths of the first three Presidents of the Church, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and John Taylor, there were periods of 42, 33, and 20 months until the next First Presidency was organized. After that, beginning with the death of Wilford Woodruff, a new First Presidency has been announced to the Church and the world no more than five days after the burial of the last Church President, and no more than twelve days after his death. In almost all cases the transition period was quite brief, no more than a week between death and reorganization. The last time the Church and the world had experienced a couple weeks without a First Presidency was 1887 through 1889.

If anyone commenting here wishes to speculate why the First Presidency has not yet been reorganized, I request and require that you do so with respect and even reverence. Here is my speculation. It was been the Church’s pattern since 1973 to reorganize the First Presidency on a Sunday. It has also been the Church’s pattern recently to dedicate temples on Sundays. This recent Sunday Elder Gary Stevenson was in Elko, Nevada to dedicate a temple there. Next Sunday Elder Jeffrey Holland is scheduled to dedicate a temple in Grand Junction, Colorado. The next temple dedication after that will be at the end of November. Reorganizing the First Presidency before Sunday, October 26 would require one of four things I can think of: 1) Doing so on a day other than Sunday; from 1898 through 1972, those actions never happened on Sundays. 2) Postponing a temple dedication. 3) The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles acting with a member absent. 4) Rapid travel on a Sunday by an apostle between meeting with his quorum and dedicating a temple.

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Observer
October 14, 2025

They are announcing a new First Presidency today at 1pm MDT.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/special-announcement-new-first-presidency


John Mansfield
October 14, 2025

Thanks, Observer. I checked for announcements yesterday, and again this morning before writing and posting. I did not imagine that the announcement would come only an hour or so after I posted. With no announcement Sunday, or Monday, I did not guess that Tuesday would be different.


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October 14, 2025

They were waiting you out.


Jo
October 14, 2025

Because there has been much ecumenism with Rome the last few years, and now the Catholic Cardinals are meeting with LDS leaders to select the most pro-Catholic president possible.


Jacob G.
October 14, 2025

Your timing on this post was impeccable.


E.C.
October 14, 2025

Jo,
Our prophets and their councilors are called by the Lord by a process of inspiration, prayer, and fasting, not by men, however powerful or friendly to the Church they may be.


Observer
October 14, 2025

And Presidents Eyring and Christofferson have been called into the First Presidency as First and Second Counselors, respectively. President Holland is now President of the Quorum of the Twelve.


G.
October 14, 2025

It looks like the pr people were just waiting for jam to publish


Ben Pratt
October 16, 2025

John, did you catch in the announcement livestream that the apostles met that morning, on a Tuesday?


G.
October 16, 2025

I did. So this is unusual!


John Mansfield
October 16, 2025

Yes, Ben, I did hear that part. I suppose that Pres. Oaks saw the same options before him that I did. Only one previous First Presidency was organized on a Tuesday: Lorenzo Snow with George Q. Cannon and Joseph F. Smith as counselors. The presidencies of Brigham Young, George Albert Smith and David O. McKay were organized on Mondays, but Pres. Oaks and the current apostles did not do that.

Seven presidencies were organized the day after the funeral of the previous president, those of Heber J. Grant, Joseph Fielding Smith, Harold B. Lee, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter, and Thomas S. Monson. The death of Harold B. Lee was famously unexpected by the church, but he was buried three days later, and a new First Presidency was organized the day after that. We seem to need more time to arrange a lot of things than our grandparents and great-grandparents did.


John Mansfield
October 16, 2025

April 6, 1830 was also a Tuesday. I always imagined it as a Sunday.

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