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What parts of the word of wisdom do we never talk about

August 21st, 2025 by G.

My belief is that it is verse 11–

Eat fruits and herbs only in season

–and verse 17–

Which states that specific grains are meant for specific species and implies that low alcohol beers might be okay.

I don’t talk about them either because I don’t have any idea what they mean.  I sometimes think the word of wisdom was given, this is not a joke I really do think this, to curious of our addiction for finding answers to all our questions in the scriptures instead of relying on modern prophets and modern revelation.

The word of wisdom in the doctrine of covenants in a sense is not the real word of wisdom.

I turned to the scripture citation index to see if it matched my view about what parts of the word of wisdom don’t get discussed.

https://scriptures.byu.edu/#12e59::c12e59

Discounting citations to basically the whole section or half the section the least cited scriptures are verse 11, verse 15, and verse 16.

 

Verse 15 at a superficial glance looks like it’s saying that grain is to be used sparingly but read more carefully is a repetition of the thing in verse 12 and 13 about eating meat sparingly.

 

Perhaps the most important and shocking to the modern sensibility portion of doctrine and covenants that does not get discussed much is at the very beginning where it says that God cares about our temporal salvation.

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August 21st, 2025 06:19:46
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WJT
August 21, 2025

You don’t hear much about using tobacco to treat sick cattle, either.


G.
August 22, 2025

Tis true

I have heard it mention a couple of times variously by farmers and herbal remedy people


Zen
August 22, 2025

Interesting take.
I have felt like eating protein was important for me, and I have not done well with a vegetarian diet. So I always felt a little guilty and confused by those verses in the Word of Wisdom. I just figured it was another way I was falling short, and added it to the list of things to repent of.

But I was listening to a podcast with Bruce Porter, where he explained it means the opposite of that. There is a comma that got added later, that changes the meaning. https://youtu.be/xiQqKacyu50?si=CblbFEfXz9GBT-Zp

So, even with very modern recent scripture, we have similar issues to the most ancient and corrupted texts. The Spirit is vital to teach us either way.


E.C.
August 22, 2025

On vs. 11, I have to say that truly seasonal eating only really works in very specific climates; those of us who live in the frozen north have to preserve some of what we get during the growing season, or we’ll suffer from nutritional deficiencies. Sure, you can extend the season somewhat with clever planting and greenhouses, but only so much without using vast amounts of resources.

I don’t really buy tomatoes from the store in the winter, because (as I heard once) store-bought tomatoes taste like disappointment. Home canned peaches are like summer in a jar, though.

I can’t eat very much meat, my body can’t handle it – or too much fat. My youngest brother’s the opposite. I think it’s a matter of different bodies requiring different things.

‘Hot drinks’ is another hotly contested phrase. From what I understand, in 1840 that meant hot toddies and the like. However, there’s some studies that suggest that eating or drinking things at too hot a temperature can possibly up the risk of throat cancer, so, you know, it really depends on who you ask.


Sute
August 23, 2025

Regarding the comma argument, read this thoroughly researched reply to that theory:
https://josephsmithfoundation.org/questioning-the-comma-in-verse-13-of-the-word-of-wisdom/

It’s a good theory, but I don’t believe it fits with how everyone understood it at the time, nor with how the word only gets used in other places as a stubborn for “except”.

This does not mean that I think we should not eat meat except in famine or winter.

I these verses are more likely to be relevant with regard to the time period and the practices about food storage and consumption than it do es the morality of eating meat. The advice seems much more practical than moral.

If the animals are going to die and you can’t feed them, eat them. We are understand that

What about winter?

Well, how did you store meat in the summer? Don’t we think there are all kinds of health issues with parasites, bacteria etc. with unrefrigerated meat?

The part about famine is practical advice. The part about winter is practical advice. Also keep in mind, in winter, your brain stores are being depleted and you can’t afford to feed grain to them.

It’s got nothing to do with the health and wellness of eating meat on a regular basis. It’s got nothing to do with the morality of eating meat either.

If it was immoral to eat meat, why are we herding and eating animals to begin with? It’s ok to eat them in the winter, morally speaking, but not in the summer? That’s nonsense.

You might say, too much animal fat and protein year round is bad, so just do a little. Ok, is we accept that point, we are still scratching off the moral position, so we can debunk morality from all sides of the issue.

Let’s go back to how grain was harvested. You get a large surplus in the summer and fall, you’re harvesting vegetables and fruit across the late spring, summer, and fall. You’re storing your grain and root veggie, bottling etc year round for long term calorie storage and replanting.

The fact is this is all practical advice about how you structure a society without modern refrigeration and food storage. Not the health or moral consequences of meat.


Sute
August 23, 2025

I’ll just add that even back then, latter-day saints said what the faithful have always have done in every dispensation; they interpret the words with the light they have.

So because they never conceived of there being a better more practical way to handle food storage, they interpreted things in a health and moral framework. At the time, I don’t disagree that it was in most cases more healthy and financially practical to structure their food economy this way. Let’s keep in mind that until industrial and refrigeration, most of our time was spent on food, water, shelter, clothing, and fuel. There wasn’t time for much else.

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