Partial Survivalism

People are already burning and shooting things. There’s no reason to assume it will deescalate.

Our deceived and deluded brothers and sisters place their hopes in every election because they accept the false paradigm of arguing positions and principles that are an abusive side show by politicians who want to martial good people to distract from their Big Lies™?.

Suffice to say, I think your prediction is all too possible and pretty likely. If it’s not this election it will be the next. Wars have been fought over less severe issues than the total shutdown of nations.

Combine the pent up frustrations of a prolonged socially distanced people, who view each other with suspicion and fear behind masks, mingle in an alleged oppressive history and culture that’s broken from system racism (they say), factor in the distrust of politics, the unstatesman like conduct of the President (he’s no George Washington, and doesn’t even know how to pretend to be), entitlement, election fraud, racial, religious and economic divisions?

How we aren’t already at war is a miracle we should thank God for.

That four years ago we as a nation managed to create an election to decide whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would be our next president was evidence of failure by so many. Failure of establishment Republicans candidates to give primary voters a reason to think they shared any interests or concerns of those primary voters. Failure of the Republican primary voters who picked the unprincipled fraud who tuned into what they wanted to hear him say. Failure of the Democratic Party to throttle the ambition of the one person who could lose against Trump. Failure of a celebrity-sotted culture that gives such a premium to names that have already rattled around our brains for a couple decades: Bush, Clinton, Trump, Biden. I said last fall that regardless of whichever of the two would prevail in that November’s election, the nation was already wounded as evidenced by the position we had created for ourselves, and we wouldn’t be getting better anytime soon.

Actually, the most important thing you can do is to cultivate relationships of trust with people who can help you — your extended family, your ward members, and your neighbors.

Very much so.

I see quite a lot of US people discussing the likelihood of a “sort of” civil war; but what seems more likely (from this outsider perspective) is a “sort-of” genocide.

We wouldn’t be where we are ( in the US, in the world) if a civil war was a probability. This is not a civil war mind-set.

bruce, that’s a semi-possibility as well. But I think what’s most likely is continued “cancelling” of undesirables. We already find it legally and socially acceptable that unless you toe the party line with regard to the pandemic you can’t:
travel
work around other people
get an education
go out in public spaces
engage in personal economic activity
etc.

It’s not a whole lot of extra steps before people are crushed by the weight of all of this, where at that point you can see some armed groups calling for succession in various regions. The difficult of course, as I’m sure is contained within your comment is that we aren’t as polarized as the south/north was in the civil war. Ie – in most places, your neighbor might have very different political views, while the Antebellum South most people were diametrically opposed to “the yankees”.

Still I can imagine some areas rallying and declaring enough is enough. And very likely tearing themselves apart in the process as the patiently minded ones try to encourage the militant ones to stand down (even when they agree on principle).

@ bruce charlton,
But which side will commit the genocide? The kind of people who tend to stockpile guns and ammo are not the kind of people who are cancelling and rioting and looting; they’re the farmers and blue-collar workers who just want to do their jobs in peace. Most of those types that I know are not firebrands, willing to kill; they’re often related to someone in the military or have been in the Forces themselves, and they understand the weight of a human life.

@ sute,
Your scenario is terrifyingly plausible. One of my brothers is an airline pilot; he’s currently required to wear a BLM pin when on the job, even though he opposes the movement vocally outside work hours. But he doesn’t want to lose his job (he’s really close to getting furloughed already because of the pandemic). At some point there will be a straw that breaks the camel’s back.

@EC If you have to ask then you don’t agree.

One side controls or has subverted all of mainstream politics (both sides and small parties), the media, arts and culture, civil administration, NGOs, health serices, education, research, the mainstream churches… In sum, all the major social institutions including law, police and the military. The other side consists of a smallish minority of scattered individuals, families, special interest groups.

It seems obvious who would genocide whom.

@ E.C., Bruce C. agrees with you. He’s thinking TPTB.

@Bruce C., in general, your sort of catastrophic scenario seems more likely. But in the specific context of the election, I agree that the most likely way for things to go south is the one suggested in the post. But that isn’t exactly a civil war scenario.

If the Left controls the military from the top-down, which has been largely subverted by Leftist politics, a genocide isn’t unthinkable. They will do it, of course, screaming that they’re the real victims the entire time.

As Dr. Charlton has pointed out elsewhere though, things are falling apart rapidly. The group to be murdered is the same group that literally maintains everything in a failing system.

I don’t understand Mr. Mansfield’s dislike of the current President. I understand his personality is abrasive, but that same personality allows him to be a great leader despite non-stop 24/7 hatred from every establishment source. The fact that the lying mouth of Satan denigrates him nonstop in every way possible must mean that he’s doing something really good.