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Witch of Endor(GPT)

September 20th, 2023 by G.

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Saul goes to the witch of Endor to call up the ghost of Samuel the Prophet.  Which she does.

Wicked Saul.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/1-sam/28?lang=eng

The normal progressive interpretation of this is that it was a delusion or a corruption of the text.  Never happened, lol, you can’t speak to spirits.

The normal conservative interpretation of this is that it was a devil pretending to be Samuel.  Witches can’t summon prophets, lol.  Or else some kind of weird one-off that God allowed where God sent dead Samuel apparently at the witch’s summons to give Saul a message instead of just sending the message directly in a dream or via a living prophet, for no easily discernible reason.

None of these really respect the story.  What the story says is that there were people with familiar spirits who could summon the dead, it was wicked to do so but feasible, and this witch summoned the actual Samuel who spoke to Saul the way Samuel was accustomed to doing.

That is hard, possibly impossible, to reconcile with our current state of knowledge.  Do we have to reconcile it?  Is it not possible that there are things about prior dispensations we just don’t understand, or even things about our own dispensation?

It is entirely possible that the story is a delusion or corruption.  The OT is not pristine.  It is also possible that it was a devil pretending, or an unexplained one off.  It could be one of those, but it doesn’t have to be one of those.

There’s a Vice piece lately claiming that Tim Ballard, the guy from the human trafficking movie, or people in his organization, were using a psychic to talk to Nephi.  I haven’t felt forced to develop an opinion on Mr. Ballard or his organization, he has nothing to do with me, nor do I think Vice has even a tiny bit of credibility.  Therefore I have no opinion on whether the psychic Nephi thing happened and don’t expect to ever  have one.

But the witch of Endor story indicates that it is at least possible that a psychic somehow contacted the real Nephi—and that it was wicked to do so.

There is now an LLM AI being trained on the Wilford Woodruff papers to chat with  you in the character of Wilford Woodruff.  My first reaction was, neat!  My second reaction was, wait, what if this is like the witch of Endor but worse because its only a simulacrum?  Genuine question.  I don’t know.

The psychic-Nephi/witch of Endor connection popped into my head.  I mulled it over then sat to write it down.  When I did, the first thing I saw was the Wilford Woodruff news.  Synchronicity?

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September 20th, 2023 04:42:24
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Zen
September 20, 2023

Regardless of the morality of Saul and his witches, AI may look similar, but it is not. It is a predictive model, that can respond with a random response in the style, tone and manner of Woodruff. But the heart of it is creating a text randomly picking from possible responses.

Now, lest I sound like a know-it-all reddit nerd on this subject, I do think this is going interesting places. What is a spirit? And how is it different from data and programming? Because we can handle those two pretty well. And once we can do that, just how far are we from soul/spirit engineering? Exactly what is a spirit?

That has some horrifying implications.


Andrew
September 20, 2023

I have also read the explanations of AI being just a predictive model – but perhaps I’m stupid. In usage it seems much more. I’ve used it extensively for programming and it seems uniquely creative in solutions I can’t just find online. It’s doesn’t seem to be just finding a solution and repeating it to me.


Talkingbuffalo
September 20, 2023

Whether the practice of calling spirits of the dead worked/works or was/is deception is an interesting question. And the implications of AI are fascinating as well.

I’ve often wondered if we will see the day when AI is consulted for major life decisions such as career and even worshipped as if were a God in a way.

I can easily imagine a high school student in the near future writing to iCareerOracle9000 the following (and diligently following the answer): “Based on the data from my schoolwork and tests, which career would I best be suited for, O wise Oracle?” Would such a practice be wrong? It seems somewhat reasonable to me, but where is the line?

All of this brings to my mind the direction in Isaiah:

“And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?”


E.C.
September 20, 2023

The professor in my brother’s AI class (yes, there is such a class for minors in computer engineering now, apparently) called AI a ‘neon god’. Only my brother and one other student got the reference. The point was well taken.

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