What is the Significance of Nephite Money
What is the significance of the Nephite monetary system in Alma 11?
We cannot say for sure. Perhaps Mormon was just male-brained and liked esoteric trivia for its own sake (the system he describes does not seem to have been his own). However, we should probably assume that it has symbolic significance.
Why should we assume that?
The Book of Mormon is an extract from a copious collection of sacred and historical records. Our default assumption should be that everything was selected with a purpose by the editor. In fact, the section on the monetary system has every appearance of Mormon adding it in personally.
Recall that ancient societies were almost all massively more inclined to symbolism than ours is.
What is the significance of the value of the coins (or weights) doubling up except for the highest value coin?
The significance may be that the values were hierarchical. The highest value coin being worth the value of them all may be a reflection of God’s place at the head of the hierarchy.
Abraham 3:19 describes a hierarchy of intelligences very similar to the Nephite monetary system
These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
There is a similar expression in Alma 7 where the ‘they all’ phrase is also explicitly referring to a member of the Godhead
For behold, I say unto you there be many things to come; and behold, there is one thing which is of more importance than they all—for behold, the time is not far distant that the Redeemer liveth and cometh among his people.
Coincidentally its only a few verses later in Alma 7 where we get the famous passage about Christ suffering our pains and our troubles as well as our sins, which points to the atonement being Christ experiencing the sum of all human existence.
We suspect that God being the sum of all human stuff was an ancient trope which the Nephite monetary system reflected. It is meant to indicate to the mind a hierarchy where God is not just the top of the hierarchy but the sum of the hierarchy.
What is the significance of two equal monetary systems, one based on gold and the other on silver?
We suspect it symbolizes the Father and the Son, different but equal. The silver hierarchy and the gold hierarchy both have a value at top that is equal to “them all,” which suggests the Godhead. Silver is generally considered to be lesser than gold, but in the Nephite system the silver units had the same value as the gold units. This is a neat figure of the relationship between the Father and the Son–the Son acknowledges the Father as his superior but they are also equal.
Coincidentally in the remainder of Chapter 11 Zeezrom attacks the belief in Christ as being incompatible with there being one God; Zeezrom also attacks the idea that Christ can have cross-identity with the Father (“Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?”–said, I believe, with a sneer). Mormon’s inclusion of the Nephite monetary system is a tidy pre-rebuttal of the Nehorite attack memes he’s about to quote.
The gold and the silver could also symbolize the body and the spirit, which is the subject of the last part of Amulek’s sermon in Alma 11. Amulek says that at the resurrection the soul and body are united together (equal in value) and we have a “bright” (like money) recollection of “all of our guilt” (like the limnah and the onti are the sum of all the monetary values that have gone before them).
Coincidentally Zeezrom’s dig the Son also being the Father harks back to Abinadi’s sermon in Mosiah 15, which would have been formative sermon for the Nephite Church and was probably a key doctrine of theirs. In that sermon, the very first thing that Abinadi says is that the Son represents the Flesh and the Father represents the Will and the Spirit and Christ can be called both the Father and the Son because he unites the flesh and the spirit together (v. 1-5). Mind status: blown.
What we have here is a monetary system that arguably reflects the Father and the Son, and arguably reflects the relationship between body and spirit, as Mormon’s preface to a debate that is mostly just about those two subjects–a debate which is a continuation of a sermon in Mosiah 15 where Abinadi explicitly links the Father and the Son to the body and the spirit.
So Joseph Smith is some kind of evil genius to have subtly arranged for all these coincidences when he wrote the Book of Mormon, right?
Lol get out.
How did you figure all this out?
There were three things.
It started with reading Alma 7 a bit ago and being bugged by the ‘they all’ language, which is bad English grammar. It reminded me that I was bugged by the same verbiage in the book of Abraham.
Then when we sat down as a family to read Alma 11, I had a spiritual impression to look for symbolism in the monetary system. The initial insight I had, and it was the only insight at the time, was the limnah/onti possibly being a representation of God based on them being the sum off all the values.
Finally, when we were reading the rest of the chapter it occurred to me that Zeezrom was probably taking a shot at Abinadi’s sermon.
The rest just came out when I sat down to write this post. I am surprised as you are.
There is always more to know.
And God can take even stupid stuff, like me being petty about grammar, and turn it to good use.
What is the significance of the six onties of silver that Zeezrom offers Amulek to deny the Supreme Being?
For the Hebrews, 6 represents imperfection. Silver, as mentioned, is both generally considered to be a “lesser” metal but for the Nephites may have symbolized Christ and/or the flesh. Zeezrom was a smart man, so he probably understood at some level that his offer had emotional valences of Amulek accepting lower status in return for wealth. Basically a humiliation ritual. So the offer had two levels–it had the doctrinal level where he wanted to show that Amulek didn’t really believe his doctrine. But it also had the social status level where he was wanting Amulek to humiliate himself and thus show that Amulek’s beliefs were embarrassing.
However, God also works through wicked men so there is actually a deep symbolic meaning here that we can also benefit from. The message is that denying God means accepting imperfection (6) and accepting the limits of the flesh (silver). The message is also that believing Christ was imperfect ultimately means denying God. Could the message also be that believing the flesh cannot be perfected also ultimately means denying God? I believe so.
What is the significance of Mormon casually tacking on that “an antion of gold is equal to three shiblons”?
No idea, what the heck Mormon.
WJT
June 26, 2024
He had to mention the Antion so readers would understand the connotation of the name Antionah.
Baine
June 26, 2024
I figure Mormon was just like, “Well, I laid out the rest of the monetary system, might as well put the last weird one in for completeness’s sake.”
Zen
June 26, 2024
I figured the Lord was giving us a a way to organize a future monetary system, which is mostly just powers of two.
But G’s insight makes a lot more sense.
Evenstar
June 27, 2024
The offer to deny Christ for silver also hearkens to Judas in the New Testament.
G.
June 27, 2024
WJT, serious? Joking? If serious and we take the ‘ah’ ending as meaning ‘of God,’ which we probably shouldn’t without an i or a y, then the name is “[weird money] of God”
Baine, I am pretty much persuaded by your point of view
Zen, its a relief to hear somebody say some of this makes sense
Evenstar, oh yes, absolutely! Don’t know how I missed that one. I tried hard to think of how each onti could represent 5 different pieces of silver but there is just no way I could think of to pull that off. I still think you are right though.
G.
June 27, 2024
Something I failed to mention–because I failed to realize it–is that the “sum of all values” coin is equal to 7 of the base unit, 7 of course being a number representing completion and divinity. ON the 7th day God rested, etc.
Zen
June 27, 2024
The Antionah bit makes sense, even if I have no idea what the name actually means – probably just something that is funnier in Reformed Egyptian. Likewise, if you fail to laugh at my jokes, that is my excuse as well.
G – Yes, this makes sense, even if it doesn’t seem the most relevant to us. But I do wonder, how many things are in the Book of Mormon for entirely other groups, like the Lost Ten Tribes. I do wonder, but I don’t think it is usually a very profitable line of thought.
Robert S.
June 27, 2024
Part of how we know the Book of Mormon is true is because of how *weird* it is. I still want to know what ziff, sheum, and neas are… (I think I have a general idea of cureloms and cumoms.)
Sute
June 27, 2024
The money info was given to point out that they were organizing their economy with the focus to get gain. We have our own sophisticated money system to get gain. And then the large monetary unit is used in the example of trying to get someone to deny Christ for money.
We are all at risk of these temptations. It’s indeed the central organizing focus of our lives in many ways.
The presence of wealth and getting gain makes an appearance in the temple as well.
I don’t think we need to read more than what literally said about it.
G.
June 28, 2024
Sute,
those are all extremely valid. Never neglect the surface truths! They are usually, you know, quite true! In fact, your their point that their society was becoming more sophisticated commercially fits in extremely well with my idea on Nephite modernity.
https://www.jrganymede.com/2024/06/12/32551/
>I don’t think we need to read more than what literally said about it.
Some of us do, as a matter of fact. I can no more stop myself from making these kinds of connections and being excited by them than I can stop myself from singing.
I have come to believe that despite all the obvious downsides that happen when people go beyond the very basic beaten path, the downsides collectively of not doing so are worse.
On the other hand, if you are arguing that there is no more meaning beyond what you said–that explanation doesn’t account for the level of detail that Mormon went to. He could have just said, “and they had an elaborate system of value” or “they were given to much making of coins, and trade to get gain,” plus adding that the highest value unit was called an onti.
Sute
June 28, 2024
There’s a lot of exposition in scripture that doesn’t make sense. You’re right that an editor would have been helpful.
On one handy, obviously if it draws you closer to God it’s great what you can get out of it. But there is something to be said for that but at face value these monetary systems were used to demonstrate the corruption of their faith. Not the dichotomy between God and his Son.
I think your silver and gold metaphor can stand well on its own without it being the meaning of this chapter.
I accept that post modernism claims the right to an infinite number of interpretations of the text. Someone might claim the gold and silver show the tyranny of the patriarchy or something.
But the money in this chapter is used specifically in a negative context isn’t it?
NR
June 29, 2024
The part in this chapter that has bothered me for years was that Zeezrom and the people were astonished at the end of Amulek’s seemingly very basic explanation. I’ve always felt that I’m missing something super important and have suspected that there was much more meaning in this chapter than what is literally written.
Now I believe Amulek tied together several concepts for them that they probably had as traditions (the money, and probably more) and that this new meaning for these, to us unknown, important things in their lives is what astonished them. Zeezrom trembling means he has connected the dots even more than the others.
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Maybe unrelated, but I frequently think of the Nephite monetary system like unix permissions: For every file for the current user, there are 3 permission bits which can be on or off, one or zero. These bits have value 4,2,1 for read, write, execute. You add them to get full permissions or control of a file, 7.
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June 29, 2024
I hate when people try to bring post-modern explanations into scripture, like making some kind of metaphor of salvation out of Jesus’ very plain teaching about going to weddings you’re invited to.
Eric
July 1, 2024
I have no special insight on the ideas discussed here, but there are a couple of things in this part of the book that have been brought to my attention over the years.
One was brought up in Reed Benson’s Book of Mormon class I took at BYU: Nephite currency was backed by grain. So often in modern society we hear cranks talking about how our money needs to go back to the gold standard. But for these people, shiny pieces of metal (the word “coin” is never used in the text) were backed by something edible–something with true value rather than assigned value.
The other thing came courtesy of my mission, from one of the sisters in my district. An onti of silver’s value is seven, and Zeezrom offered six of them to Amulek. Six times seven is forty-two, so what Zeezrom was offering was something that would tickle the fancy of anyone who might have enjoyed the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (as was the case for both me and that other missionary).
(The other occurrences of 42 in the Book of Mormon, particularly its frequency in Ether 10, and how the Gadianton robbers were formed in the 42nd year of the judges, might lead one to wonder if Douglas Adams wasn’t a closet Latter-day Saint despite his avowed atheism. But that’s a realm of inquiry for another time.)