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	<title>Junior Ganymede &#187; atonement</title>
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		<title>Redemption without pride</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/10/23/redemption-without-pride/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bit of a short thought for today.    Why was the Atonement necessary? Couldn&#8217;t God have arranged things so that we could overcome sin ourselves? It seems like we might have learned more that way. Our colleague Adam Greenwood has given one excellent answer: Our spiritual education would not have been complete without the experience [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit of a short thought for today.    <span id="more-6129"></span></p>
<p>Why was the Atonement necessary? Couldn&#8217;t God have arranged things so that we could overcome sin ourselves? It seems like we might have learned more that way.</p>
<p>Our colleague Adam Greenwood has given one excellent answer: Our spiritual education would not have been complete without the experience of being completely, utterly  helpless. However, Adam himself points out that the most exquisite helplessness comes when there is absolutely no discernible reason for our trial. Suffering for our own sin doesn&#8217;t really qualify.</p>
<p>I had an insight the other day into another reason: We needed redemption without pride.</p>
<p>C.S. Lewis talks about this (in <em>The Screwtape Letters</em>, if memory serves.) The moment we realize we are being humble, we lose it. I add that never becoming aware we are humble seems to be a nonstarter as well. I&#8217;m not sure I can quite articulate why, unless it&#8217;s the principle that no man can be saved in ignorance.</p>
<p>The Atonement seems like at least a partial cure to this dilemma. If we remember the price paid for us to be able to repent &#8212; to become humble &#8212; then perhaps it&#8217;s easier to realize we are being humble without immediately becoming proud. The cost was just too much.</p>
<p>But I suppose I shouldn&#8217;t be too proud of any explanation I come up with for the Atonement. Perhaps it is not well to too readily explain away something I so desperately need.</p>
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		<title>Who Can Tally the Mind of God?</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/07/26/who-can-tally-the-mind-of-god/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two posts at the M*, one on God not being domesticated, and the other on the inadequacy of atonement theories. Well worth your time, and fitting with Jr. Ganymede themes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two posts at the M*, one on <a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/a-well-behaved-god/">God not being domesticated</a>, and the other on <a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/metaphors-of-the-atonement/">the inadequacy of atonement theories</a>.  Well worth your time, and fitting with Jr. Ganymede themes.</p>
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		<title>Fixing the Past</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/05/09/fixing-the-past/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps people don’t want to break with an unhappy past so much as to relive it; to return to some point on the road to ruin and make the one change, the single alteration that would make it all turn out differently. -Richard Fernandez There&#8217;s something profound in that about repentance and the atonement, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps people don’t want to break with an unhappy past so much as to relive it; to return to some point on the road to ruin and make the one change, the single alteration that would make it all turn out differently.</p></blockquote>
<p>-<a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/05/08/velma/#more-14595">Richard Fernandez</a><br />
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<p>There&#8217;s something profound in that about repentance and the atonement, but I don&#8217;t quite know what.  Maybe turning your sins over to Christ means finally owning that you have to write off parts of your past and even of yourself.  Though in the long run, losing your life this way may be the only way to find it.</p>
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		<title>Life Isn&#8217;t Fair</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/04/25/jeff-greason-preaches-the-space-religion/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday at church the speaker reminded us that the fall is our inheritance from Adam, on good scriptural authority. That is to say, Mormons believe in original sin, we just happen to believe that Christ atones for it for all. It&#8217;s not fair to punish the children for the sins of their fathers, no doubt. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday at church the speaker reminded us that the fall is our inheritance from Adam, on good scriptural authority. <span id="more-4883"></span></p>
<p>That is to say, Mormons believe in original sin, we just happen to believe that Christ atones for it for all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not fair to punish the children for the sins of their fathers, no doubt.  Any more than it is fair to make Christ atone for those inherited sins.</p>
<p>But inheritance is relationship.  If we didn&#8217;t inherit anything from Adam, we wouldn&#8217;t be bound to him in anyway.  And Christ&#8217;s act binds us to him.  </p>
<p>As Mosiah understood, fairness&#8211;justice&#8211;leaves us<a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/2.21-24?lang=eng#20"> alone, miserable, and even uncreated</a>.</p>
<p>Thank God that life is unfair.</p>
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		<title>Royal Largesse Theory of the Atonement</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/04/22/royal-largesse-theory-of-the-atonement/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many theories about the Atonement. All are at best analogies. What Christ did matters much more than our explanations about it do. Especially on Good Friday, we should probably spend more time at the foot of the cross instead of critiquing concepts and philosophies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Simon-Cyrene1.jpg"><img src="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Simon-Cyrene1-150x150.jpg" alt="" title="Simon Cyrene" width="150" height="150" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-4880" /></a>There are many theories about the Atonement.  All are at best <a href="http://www.jrganymede.com/2010/09/21/analogies/">analogies</a>.  What Christ did matters much more than our explanations about it do.  Especially on Good Friday, we should probably spend more time at the foot of the cross instead of critiquing concepts and philosophies.<!--<span id="more-4873"></span></p>
<p>Nonetheless, nothing is more worthwhile than trying to understand the central event of history, so Atonement theories abound.  They range from the Catholic-Protestant substitutionary sacrifice and ransom theories (I&#8217;m not real clear on what the difference is) to the Catholic-Orthodox mystical theory that in the Atonement Christ mystically merged with human suffering and lowliness and made it partake of his divinity, to the modern liberal Royal Exemplar theory where the Atonement itself doesn&#8217;t accomplish much of anything but it is extremely moving.  I&#8217;ve even offered my own <a href="http://www.jrganymede.com/2010/08/17/you-want-justice-you-need-justice/">meaningful choice theory</a> of the Atonement, which I&#8217;m happy with as far as it goes.</p>
<p>The basis for a unique Mormon understanding of the Atonement include whatever can be drawn from Mormon scripture, including <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/2?lang=eng">2 Nephi 2</a> (my theory seems to be a restatement of 2 Nephi 2), <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/3?lang=eng">Mosiah 3</a>, <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/15?lang=eng">Mosiah 15</a>; Mormon teachings that the Atonement was accomplished at <a href="http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/04/22/unchosen-suffering/">both</a> Gethsemane <a href="http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/04/22/unchosen-suffering/comment-page-1/#comment-31420">and</a> Golgotha; and unique Mormon insight into the nature of God, Christ, and mankind.</p>
<p>While each of these could be important, my personal belief is that Mormonism&#8217;s most remarkable contribution to our understanding of the Atonement is <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/7.11-12?lang=eng">Alma 7:11-12</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p> And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.</p>
<p> And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Christianity has traditionally understood that the Atonement overcame sin.  Christianity has usually understood, and Mormonism makes it clear if there were any doubt, that the Atonement overcomes death.  Alma 7:11-12 suggests that overcoming pains and sicknesses is also part of the Atonement, that besides taking on him the burdens of death and sin, Christ also took on him the burdens of our afflications and infirmities.  This is a marvelous expansion of our understanding of what the Atonement accomplishes.</p>
<p>It also offers some possibilities for understanding how the Atonement works.  <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/7.11-12?lang=eng">Empathy theory,</a> for example, which as far as I know is unique to Mormonism.</p>
<p>Now, there are generally two different types of answers that people want from an Atonement theory.  A certain type of person&#8211;call them liberals, though this term is very inexact&#8211;want some explanation of why God would require *anybody* to atone for sins.  Why can&#8217;t we just feel penitent and God says, that&#8217;s OK, you&#8217;re good now?  These people&#8217;s views of the divine are in some sense democratic or egalitarian&#8211;that is, they feel themselves to be in a position that they can judge the fairness of God&#8217;s actions.  These type of people are quick to denounce theories that don&#8217;t answer their question as making God into a monster.  My meaningful choice theory is meant to answer this person&#8217;s type of question.  </p>
<p>Another type of person&#8211;call them conservative, sort of&#8211;are too impressed with the grandeur of God to make demands on him.  They also understand very well why God holds their fallen nature against them.  Their religious views are monarchical&#8211;they feel very much that God is above them.  What these people want is some explanation of how the death of a man, even of the Son of God, can excuse their failure.  They tend to dismiss theories that don&#8217;t answer their question as impossibly sanitized, or else they just despair.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking lately about Alma 7:11-12 and an Atonement theory that might answer the second type of question.  Alma 7:11-12 doesn&#8217;t say exactly how it is that Christ bore the burden of our infirmities and afflictions.  We sometimes believe that when he bore the burden of our sins, he bore the full burden of each person individually.  In other words, we talk as if the burden of our sins was quantifiable and Christ bore the sum of all those burdens.  It&#8217;s from this perspective that we can say and feel that each time we sin we add to Christ&#8217;s agony.  If we apply this same line of reasoning to Christ&#8217;s atonement for our afflictions and infirmities, then it follows that every time we extend a helping hand to someone, we are relieving Christ&#8217;s burden.  Remember Matthew 25:40?</p>
<blockquote><p>And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have adone it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</p></blockquote>
<p>What if that were <em>literal</em>?  What if every good deed we did to somebody literally relieved Christ of some of his suffering?  That is what the Alma 7:11-12 view of the Atonement implies.  We are literally like Simon the Cyrene, bearing the cross for him to relieve his burden.</p>
<p>Christ has put himself in a position where we can do him favors.  Is it any wonder that his reward for those favors is munificent and kingly?  Forgiveness of sins and eternal life.</p>
<p>So there you have it, my royal largesse theory of the Atonement.  It&#8217;s less airtight and schematic than my meaningful choice theory, but to me its more satisfying.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/the-royal-largesse-theory-of-the-atonement/">Cross-posted at the Millennial Star.</a></p>
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		<title>Unchosen Suffering</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christ chose to let himself be in Satan&#8217;s power and in the power of the Romans. Its important that he chose, because it made him a willing victim. Its also important that he did not directly choose the garden agony or the cross. These were the choices of his tormentors. If he had chosen them [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ chose to let himself be in Satan&#8217;s power and in the power of the Romans.  Its important that he chose, because it made him a willing victim.  Its also important that he did not directly choose the garden agony or the cross.  These were the choices of his tormentors.  If he had chosen them himself, he would have been willing but not a victim.<span id="more-4480"></span></p>
<p>Christ came for the meek and lowly, a category which includes every human soul.  No matter how rich, or how successful, each of us has experienced the dark night of the soul.  Each of us still has in our core the frightened child that we were.  </p>
<p>Many of us&#8211;I hope one day all&#8211;have experienced the comfort of Christ bearing our meekness and lowliness with us.  Many of us also have experienced in suffering a certain sacredness, as if God had made misery holy by taking it into himself.  There is a brotherhood, a holy intimacy, of suffering, in which Christ participates with us.  It sounds mystical, but it is so.  I know it from my own experience. </p>
<p>It matters that Christ was a willing victim, for if he were truly as helpless as we, that he suffered along with us would be no comfort and offer no redemption.  He must have chosen to let himself be victimized.  The problem is that if Christ chose his suffering, he really wasn&#8217;t a companion in our weakness.  He knows the pain, perhaps, but not the hopelessness.  He was only slumming.  And if what Christ&#8217;s example valorizes is chosen suffering, then it becomes &#8220;Christ-like&#8221; to deliberately harm oneself, as indeed some Catholic extremists think it is.  But Christ came to redeem misery, not to add to the misery of the world.</p>
<p>My opening paragraph offers one way of squaring the circle: Christ freely chose helplessness, knowing that it would entail his misery, but he did not choose the evils that would be done to him in his helpless state.  He merely suffered them.</p>
<p>We tend to think that Christ could have quit at any time during the supreme suffering of his atonement.  We might even say that he had to be able to quit for his sacrifice to be voluntary.  But how could he have suffered as we do, since we cannot quit at any time?</p>
<p>One of the odd wrinkles in Mormonism its in insistence that Christ suffered twice, first in the garden and then on the cross.  This insistence has no meaning at first glance, and even appears to be a kind of historical accident or inexplicable trivia.  But it opens up possibilities that help answer how Christ could have voluntarily experienced helplessness.</p>
<p>The truly voluntary act is one that is taken with full knowledge of the choices.  I believe that full knowledge is impossible without full prior experience.  No one can know what they have not experienced.  Or, at least, total knowledge of an experience&#8211;not just a description, but knowing exactly and fully how it feels, how it is&#8211; is identical to the experience itself.  Christ couldn&#8217;t have known what was coming in the garden, so his atonement suffereing there could not have been the result of a truly free, because truly informed, choice.  To that extent, he was just as much battered in the dark as we are.  </p>
<p>The Spirit often guides us to take steps into the dark, not knowing what is to come.  Christ&#8217;s own ignorance gives that meaning.    In any case, as I argue it was with the Savior in the garden, full advanced information is impossible.  You can&#8217;t fully know how something will turn out until you&#8217;ve experienced it.  Having the experience described is not the same.  How many things I&#8217;ve dreaded have gone exactly as I thought but not been dreadful?  How many things i&#8217;ve hoped for have gone exactly as I hoped but not been wonderful?  If I had had the temple ceremony described to me down to the last detail before I took out my endowments, I still would never have predicted my own reaction to my own endowment&#8211;which was this ritual was so mundane, every-day, bog standard <em>Mormon</em>.  And if I had had every detail explained in advance, perhaps I would not have had that reaction, which has been spiritually sustaining to me.</p>
<p>But if Christ suffered in the garden ignorantly, and to that extent involuntarily, his acceptance of the crucifixion could be considered fully voluntary, because he now knew what he was in for.  The doctrine of two different atonement episodes, odd as it seems at first, suddenly springs to life.</p>
<p>Gethsemane and the cross offer a second possible resolution of how Christ could be the paradoxical willing victim.  The Father abandoned the Son on the cross, whereas an angel strengthened him in the garden.  Why, and what does it mean?  One possibility is that in the garden Christ retained his ability to say no, to draw on the rescuing angels and turn away the cup.  So at every moment he had to choose to suffer in an immense and continual <em>voluntas</em>.  But that on the cross the divine power he had always had withdrew with his Father.  He was helpless then, and suffered without choosing.  He knew the abandonment that we know.</p>
<p>Again  we see that the peculiar doctine of the double atonement gives us a Christ who can give us anything we might need from, both heroic self-sacrifice and helpless suffering.</p>
<p>I see another possibility in the garden and the cross.  Like most Mormons, I believe that much of our suffering is meant to help us, like Hugh B. Brown&#8217;s currant bush or like the refiner&#8217;s fire.  Unlike most Mormons, I believe that part of the mortal condition is suffering that has no purpose.  Some knives aren&#8217;t surgical.  I believe that purposeless suffering is a necessary consequence of a world where we have free will and can have an affect on other people.  </p>
<p>Even suffering with some ultimate purpose is still suffering.  I think of Joseph Smith, seven-years old, with the knife at his leg.  He still needed his father with him, because the purposefulness of the steel cutting at his flesh in no way abated the hurt.  We similarly need our Christ with us when we hurt and can find redemptive companionship in <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/122.8?lang=eng#7">his fellow suffering</a>.</p>
<p>But just as its hard to see how he can share our experience ofsuffering helplessly if he never suffered helplessly, how can Christ be a companion with us in purposeless suffering if he never suffered without apparent purpose?  His atonement suffering was the most purposeful that any suffering has ever been.  Here is where the apparent pointlessness of having a second atonement episode comes in.  Perhaps in a paradox the pointlessness is the point.  In the atonement Christ embraced not only the suffering and misery and helplessness of mortality, but the pointless brutality too.  Great is the Lamb.</p>
<p>Christ only did, they say, what he saw his Father saw.  Does this mean that in some incomprehensible way that God the Father also suffered?  Perhaps.  Consider this.  As we are free, some of us will choose to finally reject God.  The weeping God of Mormonism will suffer because of that rejection.  He will be helpless to avoid it.  He cannot strip us of our will.  And there will be no point in it.  Those who reject God do not thereby make themselves or him any better than before.</p>
<p>We have two divine companions in our lowly state.</p>
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<a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2011/04/unchosen-suffering/">Crossposted at the Old Country.</a></p>
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		<title>A Letter from Pilate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<title>Woman, God&#8217;s Ultimate Creation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[] Paul and the prophets like to compare Adam and Christ. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Christ is the New Adam. If Christ is the New Adam, Christians have wondered, then who is the New Eve? Catholics have traditionally answered Mary. Some of the early [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/neweve1.jpg"><img src="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/neweve1-150x150.jpg" alt="" title="neweve1" width="120" height="140" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-4839" /></a>] Paul and the prophets like to compare Adam and Christ.  <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/1-cor/15.22?lang=eng#21">For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive</a>.  Christ is the New Adam. <span id="more-4831"></span></p>
<p>If Christ is the New Adam, Christians have wondered, then who is the New Eve?  Catholics have traditionally answered Mary.  Some of the early Church Fathers, I am given to understand, answered Mary Magdalene, presumably because they thought she was Christ&#8217;s wife.</p>
<p>A few days ago my lovely one made an insightful connection between Adam and Christ.</p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/2.21-22?lang=eng#20">Adam</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;<br />
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/19.34?lang=eng#33">Christ</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water</p></blockquote>
<p>Both Adam and Christ were wounded in their sides.  Out of Adam&#8217;s side came the old Eve.  Out of the Lord&#8217;s side came the blood in which we are born again. </p>
<p>We are the New Eve.  Bride of Christ, blood of the Lamb, flesh of His flesh.</p>
<p>What He has joined together, let no man put asunder.</p>
<p><a href="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bridal-gown-rubies.jpg"><img src="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bridal-gown-rubies.jpg" alt="" title="bridal gown rubies" width="358" height="480" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4842" /></a></p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
Cross-posted at <a href="http://www.millennialstar.org/woman-gods-ultimate-creation/">the Millennial Star</a>.</p>
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		<title>Brooding Upon the Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/04/18/brooding-upon-the-waters/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about the Hebrew notion that water represented formlessness, chaos, and by extension sin, the devil, and mortality. The notion has some currency in modern scripture. It makes for some interesting insight into scripture. Take the story of the Gadarene swine. Christ has mercy on the devils by allowing them to flesh [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately I&#8217;ve been thinking about the Hebrew notion that water represented formlessness, chaos, and by extension sin, the devil, and mortality.  The notion has some currency <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/61?lang=eng">in modern scripture.</a><span id="more-4819"></span></p>
<p>It makes for some interesting insight into scripture.  Take the story of the Gadarene swine.  Christ has mercy on the devils by allowing them to flesh themselves in the body of pigs.  The devils then promptly run down to the water and drown.  Why?  My regular interpretation is either that the devils love destroying things, or that devils are literally insane.  But if the waters of the lake are hell, then what the story means is that devils&#8217; compulsion to evil destroys any gifts that they might be given.  It is a story about what it means to be damned.</p>
<p>Or take the stories of Christ calming the storm, or walking on water.  If water represents evil or chaos, those stories show Christ&#8217;s mastery over them.</p>
<p>But for this Holy Week, what has most been on my mind is the sacrament.  In Mormonism, blood is associated with mortality while flesh is characteristic of immortal bodies.  So, from one angle, <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/07/why-bread-and-water-in-the-sacrament-2/">the bread of the sacrament represents the  the divine half of Christ&#8217;s nature, while the water represents his mortal part</a>.  </p>
<p>But what if water can also represent evil and disorder?  Then our sacrament feast is a remembrance that Christ took mortality, took on temptation, took on our experience of sin and evil to the ultimate, descended below all things, and emerged victor.  In the sacrament, water is spoils.  Water is captured battle flags.  Water is our own weakness, somehow transmuted into a communion with God.</p>
<p>Cross-posted at <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2011/04/brooding-upon-the-waters/">the Old Country</a>.</p>
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		<title>Good Friday</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today the western Christian world remembers the Garden and the Cross. Your thoughts and your topical links in the comments would be much appreciated. Check back here, we&#8217;ll be updating the post throughout the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://birkenheaddrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/90px-arezzo-chiesa_di_san_domenico-crocifisso_di_cimabue-closeup.jpg" alt="90px-arezzo-chiesa_di_san_domenico-crocifisso_di_cimabue-closeup" title="90px-arezzo-chiesa_di_san_domenico-crocifisso_di_cimabue-closeup" width="90" height="120" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-294" />Today the western Christian world remembers the Garden and the Cross.  Your thoughts and your topical links in the comments would be much appreciated.  Check back here, we&#8217;ll be updating the post throughout the day.</p>
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