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Glory, Glory

January 09th, 2018 by G.

The scriptures refer to glory more than they do to love.   But no one knows what glory is.

I have a perfectly usable definition.  Glory is deserving conditional love.  Glory contrasts with unconditional love and goes along with worship, awe, praise, honor, and excellence.  So far, so good.

But that definition of glory is like the Catholic definition of love as willing the good of another.  Very sensible and practical, cuts through a lot of hoo-hah, clearly in the right ballpark . . . but darn well lacking as a full description of the actual thing.   These definitions of love and glory are to actual love and glory as 565 nm wavelength emissions are to seeing green.

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Look at the first chapter of Moses.

  • the glory of God was upon Moses; therefore Moses could endure his presence
  • no man can behold all my works, except he behold all my glory; and no man can behold all my glory, and afterwards remain in the flesh on the earth
  • And the presence of God withdrew from Moses, that his glory was not upon Moses; and Moses was left unto himself. And as he was left unto himself, he fell unto the earth.
  • mine own eyes have beheld God; but not my natural, but my spiritual eyes, for my natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in his presence; but his glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him.
  • Depart from me, Satan, for this one God only will I worship, which is the God of glory.
  • And behold, the glory of the Lord was upon Moses, so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and talked with him face to face.
  • and there is no end to my works, neither to my words. For behold, this is my work and my glory

Something  more is going on here than a judgment on Moses’ part that God is deserving of glory.  I believe that ultimately we will discover that physics and metaphysics are not as separate of disciplines as we imagine.

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January 09th, 2018 06:49:55
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Bookslinger
January 9, 2018

I would imagine that a strong sense of that glory would be perceived in the Pentecost-like experience described in 2 Nephi 31:13,

“… then shall ye receive the Holy Ghost; yea, then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels, and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel.”

“Shouting praises” does not denote, nor connote, the normal type of speaking we do in church settings. I’ve wondered at this. Is the shouting of praise going on in private, or are we missing something?


JRL in AZ
January 10, 2018

I have been thinking about this since you posted it. The best I can do is formulate a definition based on all the verses containing “glory” in the Topical Guide: Glory is the manifestation of great merit.

That manifestation is a physical as well as spiritual event. If you can actually separate physical from spiritual.


seriouslypleasedropit
January 10, 2018

> I believe that ultimately we will discover that physics and metaphysics are not as separate of disciplines as we imagine.

Yes, and this FREAKS ME OUT.

But candidly, in a dirty materialist/automatist/determinist sort of way, I think I’ve derived more value from the “deserving of conditional love” formulation. Because I knew, or could sense, when glory was present at its most obvious, but I had no idea how to get there from here, so to speak. Seeing lightning is one thing, but how grateful we are that we have a map to help us create a bit of territory in our lightbulbs.


seriouslypleasedropit
January 10, 2018
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