Junior Ganymede
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The Abundant Life of the Mind

June 14th, 2017 by G.

Most of our thinking is ’caused’, automatic, un-thinking – that is, it is ‘programmed’ by our environment and experiences – but the real-true-divine thinking is itself a cause and has no cause – it is a spontaneous origin coming from nothing prior (that is because it is divine, and that is what divine is).

But real-true-divine thinking is not just some different kind of process that happens to be uncaused – it is participating in reality, which means it is intrinsically true.

-thus Bruce Charlton

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June 14th, 2017 04:35:23
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Zen
June 14, 2017

If we get strong AI, then that may be the only thing that separates us from machines. And I think I it is increasingly likely that we will see such.


Carter Craft
June 14, 2017

Strong AI’s might be divine too though.

Same scenario as Aulë and the dwarves.


Zen
June 14, 2017

Yet, we are also told that intelligence can not be created or made. I expect it means that fundamental free will, that was referred to as Real-True-Divine thinking.

But even for the dwarves, it took Eru Ilúvatar to give them free will.

I expect strong AI will be solved in the next 50 years, but not free will or true sapience.


Carter Craft
June 14, 2017

Yes, but we are also accustomed to thinking about intelligence as being present in everything, including seemingly inanimate objects.

Though, from that perspective, there’s no such thing as AI, only the ability to endow intelligences with communication skills.


Bruce Charlton
June 15, 2017

I don’t think there will ever be ‘artificial intelligence’ except by reducing the definition of intelligence down to such a level that they can claim to have solved it. (eg the Turing Test – a ridiculously over-simplified model of intelligence.)

But even so, I don’t see any significant progress in the area over several decades – and as the capability of science has been declining over the past generation, and there are no scientific geniuses around (or, at least, those who exist are being ignored, vilified and/ or kept away from visibility and influence) – there is most likely going to be actual-decline not progress, as has happened in medicine.


Zen
June 15, 2017

By Artificial Intelligence, I mean actual problem solving, not sapience, what we would call free-will and self-aware. By that metric, AI has made a lot of progress in recent years. There are cars that are virtually self-driving. Even complicated games like Go have AI that can learn how to play, AND do a better job than humans.

I could go on and on, but it is inaccurate to say no progress has been made.

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