Junior Ganymede
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Go ahead, impeach Trump.

May 17th, 2017 by Bookslinger

We’ll just get ultra-conservative Pence as Pres.
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May 17th, 2017 08:46:03
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Zen
May 17, 2017

The problem with hysteria, is that you are not really thinking these things through.

But they suppose all will be bliss if Trump AND Pence go down, because then we have Ryan…. Wait, just how far do we have to go?


Bookslinger
May 17, 2017

The choice of Pence was Trump’s insurance policy to not get impeached by the Dems should they win the House during his term(s). Pence is a true conservative, not an establishment Republican. And he, and his people, have Washington experience.

Not that I’m unhappy with Trump. Trump is turning out more conservative that I had ever hoped for.

Repeal of ACA, tax cuts and budget reform take time. Republicans didn’t expect him to win, so they were unprepared. Not fixing those things in the first 100 days is not something I fault him for. I’ll give him 18 months on those things.

Remember that Obama, with both the House and Senate controlled by Dems, still did not submit any budgets, and worked on continuoung resolutions for several years.


Hamlet
May 17, 2017

‘Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished for.


Bruce Charlton
May 18, 2017

Taking a step back from politics – the question is what is most likely to induce the vital spiritual awakening? Because it apparently has not happened yet (and if it doesn’t happen – this is all a sideshow).


Zen
May 18, 2017

A much better question, Bruce.

I am hesitant to enjoy Trump too much. Some things he does I agree with, but it feels too much like embracing the One Ring. Power yes, but it will flatter and deceive you. And no matter what, it really isn’t on your side.

Now, Bruce’s question, what do we do about the cultural crisis? The basics. There is no magic bullet here. Culture has the momentum of a speeding train and the precariousness of a canoe half over a waterfall, while people are paddling downstream.

What will it take? Brigham Young said
“Do you think there is calamity abroad now among the people? Not much. All we have yet heard and all we have experienced is scarcely a preface to the sermon that is going to be preached. When the testimony of the elders ceases to be given, and the Lord says to them, ‘Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth,’ all you now know can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain, thunders and lightnings, and fearful destruction. … You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth, entombing the inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulphing mighty cities. Famine will spread over the nations.” (In Journal of Discourses, 8:123)

Or in the more refined language of the D&C
“88 And after your testimony cometh wrath and indignation upon the people.

89 For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand.

90 And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.”
D&C 88:88-90


Bookslinger
May 18, 2017

“…the question is what is most likely to induce the vital spiritual awakening?”

Awakened to what spirituality? Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, Judaism, or Christianity?

Well, Christianity of course. Ignoring the explicit truth of Christianity, the others are not suitable to western culture due to that cultural mythology thing you mentioned earlier.

Ok, Christianity, but what flavor? Which one has not been corrupted? The “mainstream” denominations, Methodism, et al, are all thoroughly corrupted by the left. Orthodox Catholicism has the cultural mythology problem, being Eastern. Roman Catholicism is at least part-way corrupted, with plenty of the leadership between the local priests and the pope being leftists. That the cardinals elected a socialist pope says something.

There are a good number of sincere Evangelicals/Pentecostals, but that branch has attracted a lot of grifters and charlatans. Moreoever, they are mostly independent of each other, and the overall movement lacks a (single) governing/policing body.

The only hope, the only uncorrupted church/denomination, with a central governing body, that can operate in western cultures, is the CJCLDS.

Nothing less than _true_ Christianity can save the West. The false Christianity of the corrupted major denominations is actually working for the opposition. Outside of the true church, only scarce pockets of “mere” Christianity exist among the Evangelicals.

There is no Christianity, not even “mere” Christianity in any British religion, they are _all_ corrupted. You might re-import, or graft back in something from Africa from a less-corrupted CoE/Anglican branch there, but will the graft take hold and restore a dead main tree? No. The roots are dead.

The only hope is the true church with living roots, divine authority, cand orrect doctrine. The dead trees are being readied to be cut down and thrown on the fire.

If your Albion Awakening blog can’t name it just yet, I hope it can at least point people in the right direction, or get them asking the right questions.

And what can prompt people to seek spirituality other than tribulation? The preaching of true doctrine by the power and Spirit of Christ. What those boys and girls with black name-tags do.

In other words, the LDS church is the only thing that can save the West. Except the West is not going to be saved as a culture, nor the East. The Tribulation/Apocalypse and the Second Coming are not far off. Salvation is only available now for individuals and families. Because at the macro level, things are only going to accelerate downward from here.


Bruce Charlton
May 19, 2017

@Books, I am talking about first steps, and the short or medium term.

Mormon conversions have been common in the context of already-religious, indeed already Christian societies (of various types); Mormonism being (as Rodney Stark noticed) a kind-of ‘Christianity-Plus’ (mainstream Christianity ‘plus’ scriptures, prophets, revelations, temples etc.)

I do not think it likely, or indeed possible, that Mormonism could lead a Christian revival in a post-Christian and nihilistic society such as The UK or Western Europe – rather, the role of the CJCLDS and active members in such places is to be a spiritual leadership – a kind of beacon, and source of teaching and example.


Leo
May 19, 2017

Rod Dreher has a post on how Trump (who he sees as quite problematic) is merely a symptom of our larger problems. See http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-twilight-of-the-elites/
Dreher’s solution is his Benedict Option, which he sees as a Christina ark or series of arks for different groups in the cultural flood.
When I was much younger Church leaders spoke about being an example simply by maintaining our standards as the worid’s standards declined. The decline has come to pass, and some do see the beacon lights and wish to be guided thereby. Many, sadly, are no longer particularly attracted to the light.


Lucinda
May 19, 2017

Not to be too defeatist, but I think the human adaptation toward civilization might serve a natural selective purpose in it’s boom-bust.

What is the nature of the population that survives a civilization bust?

I would say, much more fit than if civilization hadn’t boomed in the first place, and for this reason: Once civilization becomes decadent, only those with spiritual foresight and with high-level intelligence and problem-solving skills will be prepared when the catastrophe hits. That is a plus for humanity. So even though you can wonder if embarking on civilization is a good idea, because of its innate tendency toward decadence and collapse, you have to admit that going through the civilization cycle tends to increase the measure of survival-of-the-fittest to include rational foresight (as well as spiritual insight, as with Lehi). Without civilization, daily survival means that almost no one has the choice to forget the necessities of survival. But civilization allows people to choose to forget. Thus civilization bust enables selection based on something other than mere animal fitness.

I don’t mind if this ends up being C.S. Lewis’ THE LAST BATTLE, but even if it’s not, it’s not like it would be terrible for humanity when “The Gods of the Copybook Headings, with terror and slaughter, return.”

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