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The Angels that Pertain to Us

September 11th, 2015 by G.

I like the old, weird Mormonism.  The quirky doctrines that float out there like driftwood, but that tie in profoundly to the gospel when rightly understood.  Things like the three degrees of glory, immortal bodies having flesh but not blood, the devil’s dominion over the waters, the two atonements on the cross and at Gethsemane.

But the author of Mormonism is also the author of mere Christianity.  There’s plenty of quirks there too.

I read this passage from Matthew:

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18:10

The context isn’t about children.  I had the strong impression that I, and you, are among “these little ones.”  I have an angel that always beholds the face of the Father!  It sounds wonderful, and grand, and frankly mysterious.

I love these little signposts pointing us to something beyond what we understand, but that we can see is marvelous.

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September 11, 2015

While it is true we will have bodies with bone, but not blood, we need to realize that in Jewish thought blood represented mortality and bones represented immortality. Thus, the Messiah bled and bled, but none of his bones were broken.

But bones and lack of blood has nothing to do with what our bodies will be composed of, but has everything to do with immortality after the resurrection.

September 12, 2015

I’ve always wondered how to parse/unpack that verse. Does “their angels” mean their pre-mortal selves, or their post-mortal selves (if they die before their age of accountabilty and therefore are guaranteed the paradise side of the spiirt world and eventually the CK) or does it mean their then current guardian angels who are looking after them from the vantage point of God’s then current presence?

September 12, 2015

My attitude to the “no blood” doctrine varies depending on whether it’s taken to imply that the human body will no longer be 60-70% water (comprised of water of any kind — incidentally, blood plasma is only about 1/15th of total body water). An aversion to blood seems natural — if it bleeds, it dies. An aversion to the liquid body starts to seem a bit like the Buddhist monks that teach themselves to look at a man or a woman and see only ‘a bag of filth, sweat, and pus’. Mountains crumble away, while bags of sweat have reshaped the face of the Earth, for good or ill.

The universality of the blood=mortal association seems to be enough that even in Homer, the immortal gods do not bleed blood, but some other substance known as ichor.

September 12, 2015

Hebrew can be all kinds of fun this way. Another thing I recently realized more fully. When they use numbers, they often mean them to mean something, ie. a larger number, a small number, not a specific quantity. Thus when Nephi refers to the Millennium, he will only say it is a long time, not a specific number of years.

I think our literality of language is an aspect of being West, while the metaphorical nature of language is an aspect of their being East.

September 12, 2015

It looks like Daniel Peterson feels similar about this. He recently posted in the Mormon Interpreter http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/toward-ever-more-intelligent-discipleship/

“The temporarily rather comfortable “fit” between the Restored Gospel and American civic religion is a thing of the past, and we contemporary Latter-day Saints seem to find ourselves in a more and more marginalized position, theologically and socially. This was where our predecessors, both earlier in this dispensation and among the first Christians, were located, and it may not be an altogether bad thing. It will, for instance, force us to take our beliefs more seriously, less casually. And it may well drive us back to the unique resources provided by the Restoration, which have much to offer….
There are as-yet unplumbed depths in the Restored Gospel that might well — as one Catholic theologian has recently argued — make it uniquely able to respond to the challenges of modern thought. “

September 12, 2015

Christianity understood well makes life amazing beyond reckoning.

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