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Call Off the Civil War Watch

March 02nd, 2015 by Patrick Henry

Matt Yglesias agrees that the country is headed towards a crisis.  So clearly we aren’t.  A stopped clock is wrong 86,398 times a day.

Regrettably, he does muster some evidence.

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March 02nd, 2015 10:24:25

March 2, 2015

I agree with Matt.

The difference is that I’m not looking forward to it.

Bruce Charlton
March 2, 2015

I remember watching M.Y. on the excruciating BloggingHeads vlog back in my libertarian days; then being astonished to see – over the next few years – this dull, whingeing fool rise to become a national pundit – whose sub-mediocre opinions are seriously cited and discussed.

The concentrated essence of ‘The decline of the West’, in a nutshell.

March 2, 2015

He at least made a (failed) attempt to be bi-partisan about it.

In any case, I have no argument with his main point – that we are approaching a breakdown.

I like to think of these things like atoms and molecules in a material. We have a certain amount of energy trying to rip us free of the bonds that connect us to each other, but we also have strong bonds. Progressively, we have been seeing a decrease in bond strength, while our national ‘temperature’ (agitation, contention, hatred, selfishness, pride, wickedness) has been increasing.

This can not indefinitely increase. Eventually, we will reach a phase transition, where non-linear processes take over, and our solid nation collapses.

We know the prophecies, about this nation being shattered with fratricidal war. It is prophesied in the Book of Mormon, by Joseph Smith, and I would argue, by Isaiah (chapter 19).

It is not a matter of if. It is only a matter of when.

But one thing I think we will see before that, is persecution of the righteous. In the Doctrine and Covenants, we read “Upon my house will it begin, and from my house will it go forth”. All of the spectacular special effects Revelations promises us, start God cleansing his own inner vessel first – the church. If that starts, then (as Elder Maxwell would say) “From now on, it’s high adventure, and followership is going to be tested in some interesting ways”.

March 3, 2015

I agree that it will be more of a breakdown than a war. It is what the progressives/communists want in order to bring about the “fundamental transformation of America.” The people of our current administration are the “red diaper babies” of the previous generation of communists as exemplified by Saul Alinsky. The breakdown is exactly what Alinsky wrote about and worked for.

The scourges Zen refers to will serve a dual purpose: to punish the wicked, but also to chasten the sons and daughters of God.

The Testing of Followership has started, viz., the same sex marrriage and ordaining women debates. So far, that’s been un-surprising and relatively easy, because most (not all, but a significant majority) of the supporters of those things (and virtually all the leaders of those movements) in the church, don’t believe in the foundational truth claims of the church to begin with.

That’s the first sieve, those who don’t believe anyway.

The second sieve would perhaps be those who believe in the foundational truth claims, but don’t understand the meaning or roles/functions or significance of having living prophets. They only have the surface knowledge, and don’t undertand the “… and therefore what?”

Also in the second sieve might be those with only a surface testimony/faith, and not a Spirit-based testimony, or those who don’t have a deep level of conversion.

The third seive might be those who do have a Spirit-based testimony, and have been converted, but don’t tolerate the refiner’s fire to purge them of all dross.

I would have to admit that I’m likely in the “having a testimony, but not deeply converted/changed enough” category. And I still have much refiner’s fire to go through.

Even among the faithful in the church, the people I see almost every Sunday that I attend, I see a lot of group-think and crowd mentality. For the leaders, it’s hard to remove false traditions (or INactions) among the faithful because those faithful people see the other faithful people doing (or not doing) the same things, and they just go with the flow. No one wants to be the first to get out of step with the church-crowd, even when getting out of step with the church-crowd is what the GAs and local leaders are telling us.

J Golden Kimball
March 4, 2015

“Now I will read to you to show that there will come sorrows to the Latter-day Saints, trials, and tests. Every man in this Church will be tested to the core; they will be proven as Abraham was proven, and when the Lord is satisfied that you love Him and will keep His commandments, then He will come to your rescue.

You imagine, that you would have stood by [The Prophet Joseph Smith] when persecution raged, and he was assailed by foes within and without. You would have defended him, and been true to him in the midst of every trial. You think you would have been delighted to have shown your integrity in the days of mobs and traitors. Let me say to you, that many of you will see the time when you will have all the trouble, trial and persecution that you can stand, and plenty of opportunities to show that you are true to God and His work. This Church has before it many close places, through which it will have to pass before the work of God is crowned with victory. To meet the difficulties that are coming [see they are to come, they are not behind you, but they are coming] it will be necessary for you to have a knowledge of the truth of this work for yourselves; the difficulties will be of such a character that the man or woman who does not possess this personal knowledge or witness will fall. If you have not got the testimony, live right, and call upon the Lord and cease not until you obtain it. If you do not you will not stand. That is the word of God to you people. Remember these sayings, for many of you will live to see them fulfilled. The time will come when no man nor woman will be able to endure on borrowed light.

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