Junior Ganymede
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Participating in the Creation

October 16th, 2014 by Zen

Humanity has changed much of Nature for the better. Dogs and cats often get along and serve us in their own way. Horses bear us around (they were not always capable of that, even in biblical times) and cattle provide milk and meat. Likewise, we have sheep, goats and pigs that are little like their wild counterparts. But some of the most interesting change, is seen in the vegetable kingdom.  Nature is no ideal Eden without Adam & Eve making improvements.

artificial-natural-watermelon1 artificial-natural-corn1 artificial-natural-peach2


t/p  James Kennedy Monash   blog 

Watermelon and Corn


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October 16th, 2014 15:40:19

October 16, 2014

Fantastic. And when we participate in creation, creation creates us. Our domestication of cattle has allowed a lactase mutation–the results of our creation are written in our flesh. Grain domestication has also resulted in all kinds of biological changes in us, from our gut fauna to our genes.

Bruce Charlton
October 16, 2014

“when we participate in creation, creation creates us. ” – Yes, this seems to be a law.

And all earthly benefits lead to problems – there is a significant strand of writing that regrets the development of agriculture, as a kind of sociological ‘fall’ – this goes back at least to Engels, and a recent exemplar would be High Brody’s excellent book (of its type) The Other Side of Eden.

The same applies to the Industrial Revolution and all recent major breakthroughs.

Perhaps the underlying concept is power – when Man creates more power for himself, there is usually both good and evil from it – the good often comes first, the evil accumulates more insidiously ; the peril increases along with the power.

Perhaps the best parable of this is Tolkien’s ‘back story’ in the Lord of the Rings concerning the rise and fall of Numenor – which I find myself regarding as ever more prescient.


[Ed.-we recommend Charlton’s essay today on Numenor to your attention]

October 17, 2014

It is as though they are ashamed and abhorrent of God’s charge to Adam to have dominion over all the face of the Earth. The Hebrew words used are startling in their bluntness. There was certainly no nature worship or idealization in Genesis 1.

October 17, 2014


If anyone gets hold of and watches this movie, there is a treat of a scene where someone takes the main character out to a pristine, bucolic country landscape, and challenges her to point out even a single place that _wasn’t_ shaped by humanity.

The upshot of the scene is traditionalist, meant to contrast how humanity used to live with the world around it, to the ugly, lifeless cities it builds nowadays.

October 17, 2014

it sounds pretty good. Would you recommend it over all?

October 18, 2014

Certainly worth watching. (If I didn’t recommend the overall movie, I would have cited it in a way that implies it was a treat to watch.)

October 18, 2014

sorry, meant to say “If I _didn’t_ recommend the overall movie, I _wouldn’t_ have cited it in a way that implies it was a treat to watch.”

I am still sleepy and distracted by the very long dream I just had: http://nonapologia.tumblr.com/post/100321682801/the-ghost-of-gk-chesterton

John Mansfield
October 20, 2014

I wonder if there has been any comparable domestication in the last millenium or so, starting from something almost useless. Once a few palatable and nourishing options have been developed, it is hard to imagine putting the effort into improving other plants from such humble beginnings. Yet it was done, as evidenced by the dozens of grains and vegetables I can find in any grocery.

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