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Mild-Mannered Bruce Nielson Pulls Down the Pillars on the Bloggernacle

April 09th, 2014 by G.

JGer Bruce N. is here to expose the fraud that is the Bloggernacle and chew gum, and he’s all out of gum. If you have a thirst for blood, consider it quenched: its hard to say whether his unrelenting use of calm reasonableness or his civil logic is more vicious. Keep your kids away from this brutal spectacle.

Conan with skulls

Somewhat more seriously, the modus operandi of the bloggernacle for the longest time has been a fraud, and, smiling, Bruce Neilsen Nielsen Nilson Nilsen Neilson Nielson dismantles it. The Bloggernacle is like an organization that claims to not be racist because it balances the posts attacking blacks as inferior with posts defending them, or at least pointing out a few redeeming qualities. It is like a man who claims he is faithful, because at least half the time the woman he sleeps with is his wife.

I got out just in time.

Comments (16)
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April 09th, 2014 10:34:50

Bruce Nielson
April 9, 2014

It’s Bruce Nielson, but I answer to anything these days. 😉

Jeff G
April 9, 2014

Oh, the humanity!!

bruce charlton
April 9, 2014

The bloggernacle is Leftist, that is the simple summary _ all the bloggernacle characteristics described are exactly what I summarize as Political Correctness in my Thought Prison book.

Adam G.
April 9, 2014

Jacob G
April 9, 2014


I wonder if the reason they can set up these venues as we attack you only defend, is that believers feel the kind of attack you outline, where you try and weaken or demolish someones core belief might be wrong.

After all:
The BoM directs us not to engage in disputations.
President Hinckley emphasized that, “Critics don’t contribute”
The Savior did not argue at his “trial”, but shrugged and said, I am (the Son of Man), and ye shall see me sitting on the right hand of power… He could have offered all the evidences that his apostles did in the gospels and more, but he did not.

Now, it is true there are countless passages where the Savior (or his prophets) blast false teachers/priests/oppressors and condemns them, but it is unclear (to me) if in general that is ok or if these are special cases. In any case, I don’t believe I have the temperament nor talent for apolegetics and will leave it to others if I can.

-The infrequent poster formerly known as Madera Verde

Adam G.
April 9, 2014

Atheism is inseparable from moral nihilism, but I avoid arguing with atheists about it for fear that I might convince them.
I expect that a great many Saints may be leary of persuading the lukewarm that they should be hot or cold for fear that they would choose the wrong temperature.

April 9, 2014

On his blog, Dr. C has made a good case that all progressives/leftists are nihilists. They all, wittingly or unwittingly, are henchmen of Satan.

I think thesde issues about where people stand on the core truths of the church are important. Scriptures are pretty clear that the church can only be hurt or hindered from within. Brigham Young emphasized the point too.

April 10, 2014

That was epic. I’m sorry I can’t provide a more intelligent comment, but…wow.

April 10, 2014

I wish I could have done something half so impressive.

Not long ago, I was with a group called The Mormon Transhumanist Association. I enjoyed being on the Board of Directors and I like to see the overlap of exotic technology and the spiritual implications. However, while it didn’t have the attack/defend model BruceN the Barbarian had, there were a lot of implicit attitudes that I (mostly alone) had to speak up against. Finally, I decided to leave, because if it isn’t really Mormon, what is the point? If we will not listen to the Prophet when it is unpopular, then we will be the least prepared of all people when (if?) the Singularity hits. We need the Fullness of the Gospel to be ready.

I mention this partly, because I got enticed with a lot of those “Building Bridges” arguments. I finally decided they were not doing any good at all. I knew the church position, and I knew their positions, and nobody was shifting much. And if good is not being done, what is the point? Bridges are not good, of necessity. It really depends what direction one is traveling.

Michael Towns
April 11, 2014

Great thoughts, Zen. A bridge to nowhere is…..a bridge to nowhere. Or a bridge to hell. Wide is the gate.

T. Greer
April 11, 2014

I have long thirsted for a real gospel centered network — one focused not on intellectual minutia or venting personal grievances or on 2nd guessing every second thing a prophet has said, but full of people fiercely dedicated to building up Zion on this earth and preparing the world for the 2nd coming of the Lord.

Building is an important word there. Not discussing, or debating, or even defending. Building.

The members of this Church, scattered across the globe and endowed with power, have great lessons to teach each other. We have great works to do together.We must become one. If we cannot become one than we are not His.

It is late in the day to begin our labors.

April 11, 2014

Yes, T. Greer – I am grateful for those who want to do apologetics, but I want to build, and for me, of necessity, that means using my mind. But that doesn’t mean I need to tear down to build, any more than such a strategy would be successful in the family.

And yes, M. Towns, a bridge is good precisely to the degree it is traversed in the correct direction! The alternative is not wise!

Adam G.
April 15, 2014

That’s a felt need. We here are too frivolous and too theological and too *small* to even begin to approach it. Clayton Christensen has done a little on that line, but its just a start.

T. Greer
April 16, 2014

The need is real, but I am not sure it can be artificially created. Clayton Christenson has done a lot, and the Boston Massachusetts Mission (specifically the Cambridge Stake, from which Brother Christenson hails) has done some interesting things on the missionary side of things.

But mostly it is a matter of cultural change. There is really nothing inherently wrong with apologetics, or humor, or theological speculation, or historical narrative. All of these things belong in the blogosphere and I am happy to have Mormons writing it.


But the kind of ‘building’ stuff I talk about here could easily be thrown into the lot. In fact, it is almost better if it is thrown into the lot than if it gets spun out on its own site, because it will all just seem more natural that way.


Really, the challenge is one of cultural transformation. One or two sites is not enough. It needs to become a norm across the Mormon-themed blogosphere if it is to be successful. It needs to be as natural as all the other sub genres common to the bloggernacle. That is when the miracles will happen.

April 16, 2014

I know, in real life, a young man, 20-something, who was converted to the gospel online. But neither the regular ward in which he resides, nor the YSA branch was able to make the social connections necessary to hold on to him. He’s a bit of a social misfit, and waited for people to approach him. In his view, and somewhat in mine too, the members seemed a bit clique-ish and insular.

This goes back to the retention problem. Online recruiting, whether bringing them in only as investigators, and especially baptizing them, doesn’t do much good if the local unit lets them get lost in the cracks, or let slip through their fingers.

To paraphrase Legrand Richards (“Everything above the level of bishop is all talk.”),

Everything online is just talk.

Pecos Bill
April 21, 2014

How many dadblame pillers does that there Bloggernacle have, anyhow? T’aint natcheral.


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