Junior Ganymede
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Aphorisms about Punishment and Repentance

April 07th, 2014 by G.

A person or a society has not learned its lesson when it denies there is any lesson to learn.

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Recognizing that you are being punished means you are on the cusp of not being punished, because you are starting to repent.

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Repentance is a process of admitting to yourself that God knows what you are.

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The damned are euphoric with the justice of their damnation.

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April 07th, 2014 08:46:07
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Vader
April 7, 2014

“The damned are euphoric with the justice of their damnation.”

His Majesty: “You must have a higher quality of damned in your universe than in mine.”

His Majesty disbelieves in an afterlife and so his cynicism is understandable if profoundly mistaken.

My own reaction is that Bruce gets it.


Bookslinger
April 8, 2014

I think a difficulty in describing post-mortal events is that non-LDS picture post-mortal life as a single phase and constant state, heaven or hell. Even when addressing LDS who understand the overall transitions and phases of the plan of salvation, it gets tedious to explain which phase or state one is describing.

After my first time reading through the Doctrine and Covenants, I realized post-mortal events are a bit more complicated than the simplified overview given in the missionary lessons.

The missionary lessons (especially the diagrams that go back to flannel-board days) strongly imply that only those going on to the Telestial Kingdom go through Spirit Prison or “hell”. Yet Section 132 verse 26 lets us know that even those going on to exaltation (even those who may have had their calling and election made sure) may have to endure the “buffetings of Satan” prior to resurrection/redemption if they have unrepented sin. I take “buffetings of Satan” to mean a period of Spirit Prison or its equivalent (though the phrase can also be used to describe physical tribulation while a mortal on earth). And if those folks are in danger of the buffetings of Satan, it would seem logical to assume that those bound for lesser degrees of glory in the Celestial or Terrestrial Kingdoms could also be subject to the same.

If by “damned” we mean people who go through a period of being in the Spirit Prison (hell), then the major phases of post-mortal life might include: 1. death,
2. interim/immediate judgement/assignment,
3. Spirit Prison, which likely also has it’s own degrees or phases, Section 19 states that only those who are assigned there know the details,
4. release from Spirit Prison when punishment/suffering and attitude-adjustment is complete (ie, the uttermost farthing is paid),
5. a place in a post-prison spirit world awaiting their resurrection,
6. resurrection,
7. perhaps a post-resurrection period during the Millennium awaiting the Final Judgement that occurs at the _end_ of the Millennium (or else they are resurrected at the tail end of the Millenium immediately prior to the Final Judgement),
8. Final Judgement before the Great White Throne (or Great Bar of Jehovah) which occurs at the tail end of the Millenium,
9. then the last action or transition of which we know about at this point is entering into one of the three Kingdoms of glory.


Adam G.
April 8, 2014

That’s a valuable insight, Books. We all suspect that the saved will need quite a bit of learning and progress after this life before they live up to the promise of their exaltation. It makes sense that some of that learning and progress will come the old-fashioned way, through temptation and adversity.

It also answers the argument that there can’t be any progress post-mortal because everyone would know the truth and there would therefore be no real free will. Your answer is that we have free will fro the same reason that we have it now: God doesn’t make his presence known fully and Satan is still pulling in the opposite direction.

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