Junior Ganymede
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“Not everyone can have confidence”

August 05th, 2013 by Vader

“But everyone can have attitude.”

A damning indictment of the state of our civilization.

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August 05th, 2013 10:30:04
9 comments

Adam G.
August 5, 2013

Mene, mene, tekel upharsin.

The treasure fleets that sailed around one-third of the world and then . . . came back, and were laid up, are the single most damning judgment on the the civilization of Cathay.

As we have surpassed them in achievement, we have also surpassed them in folly. They lost their soul in losing the world. We lost it in surrendering the universe.

But the author’s vision of our folly isn’t quite comprehensive enough. He talks about Obama gutting space exploration. NASA has been run as a jobs program since Nixon.


Vader
August 5, 2013

A sight I no longer believe any American will ever see.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130805.html


Zen
August 5, 2013

What strikes me, is the constant folly of planning how to colonize Mars, when we don’t even have a positive birthrate. Nothing wrong with colonizing or terraforming, but if we don’t have the birthrate, it will all be for naught.


Bookslinger
August 5, 2013

Zen, the earth as a whole presently does have a positive birthrate.


Adam G.
August 5, 2013

You don’t need a huge birthrate in the mother country for the settlement of the colonies. It’s remarkable how much of the American settlement was provided by the prodigious American birth rates.


Zen
August 5, 2013

Most first, if not all, first world countries, have a below replacement level birthrate. It is highly unlikely Mars colonists would be taken from 3rd world countries. Are these people going to commit to having at least 3 children each? If so, I certainly have not heard that. American colonies might have been a good place for children, but not so much Mars. It would likely involve people who have the least interest in families.

Honestly, if we want additional area to colonize, the endless fields of Antarctica and Greenland are better land. But as it is, we (as a nation) want space-colonies, but not families. I just find that ironic.


Adam G.
August 5, 2013

If you have any evidence that we, as a nation, want space colonies, I would love to see it.

The advantage of Mars colonization (or of any other extraterrestrial colonization) is that when you figure out how to do it, endless vistas for further expansion open up. Expansion that allows true separation from the modern West.

Although Antarctica and Greenland would just be infill, not true expansion, I am in favor economically exploiting Antarctica. And irrigating vast tracts of the Sahara for a matter of that.


Bookslinger
August 5, 2013

Zen, third world immigrants are more than filling in the birth-dearth in the US and in Western Europe, both in terms of new immigrants, and in terms of the birth-rate amongst those immigrants.

Eastern Europe and the Caucasian Asian nations are experiencing true population decline because the do not attract (or perhaps allow?) immigration from third world countries.

Countries such as Pakistan and Nigeria still have quite the exponential birth rate, with population growth exceeding 4% annually. I’m not sure what the birth rate or growth rate of India is, but they will overtake China in population in about 2020, and perhaps earlier, unless China quickly removes the 1-child policy.

BTW, my counterpoint was not to suggest that 3rd-worlders would colonize Mars, but merely to counter your assertion that “we” (as in “the world”) don’t have a positive birth rate.

Even if colonizers are all first-worlders, the third world would more than fill in any gaps they left in the first-world countries. Which they are already doing in an excessive counterpoise to the birth-dearth among first-world caucasians.

In addition, if the US were to cut off 100% of all immigration (legal and illegal) tomorrow, our present immigrant population and their descendents would supply more than enough to have a positive population growth here. If I remember correctly, African-Americans also presently have a positive birth-rate.


MC
August 6, 2013

Adam’s on the right track, but for crying out loud, try populating Alaska first. There’s less than a million of us here, and plenty of jobs. We’re one-fifth the country’s land mass!

Homesteading here is tough, but a lot more hospitable than the Moon. And there’s gold in them thar hills.

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