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	<title>Comments on: On &#8220;Higher Criticism&#8221; and the Documentary Hypothesis</title>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2013/01/29/on-higher-criticism-and-the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-207219</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; Its insights are not obviously life-changing.&quot;

I feel the same way about most Sunday School lessons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Its insights are not obviously life-changing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I feel the same way about most Sunday School lessons.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.jrganymede.com/2013/01/29/on-higher-criticism-and-the-documentary-hypothesis/comment-page-2/#comment-207199</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;However, what Alter does showcase is the fact that there is more than one way to approach scripture. DH may very well be valid from an sheer academic perspective. But that doesn’t mean it’s valid from a spiritual perspective. Or a literary perspective. Or a seminary perspective!&quot;

Alter&#039;s books don&#039;t show that the DH isn&#039;t valid from a literary POV. What Alter shows is the logic of the composition. The DH addresses the sources themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, what Alter does showcase is the fact that there is more than one way to approach scripture. DH may very well be valid from an sheer academic perspective. But that doesn’t mean it’s valid from a spiritual perspective. Or a literary perspective. Or a seminary perspective!&#8221;</p>
<p>Alter&#8217;s books don&#8217;t show that the DH isn&#8217;t valid from a literary POV. What Alter shows is the logic of the composition. The DH addresses the sources themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph Smith did talk about &quot;wicked scribes&quot; making changes to the Bible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Smith did talk about &#8220;wicked scribes&#8221; making changes to the Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: some idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>some idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Ed.--quit indulging yourself in being small souled.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Ed.--quit indulging yourself in being small souled.]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Towns, narcissist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Towns, narcissist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think it worth acknowledging that not all curiosity is healthy. There is such a thing as intellectual voyeurism. It is not unrelated to the intellectual onanism I have seen way too much of among the self-styled intelligentsia.&quot;

The best quote of the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it worth acknowledging that not all curiosity is healthy. There is such a thing as intellectual voyeurism. It is not unrelated to the intellectual onanism I have seen way too much of among the self-styled intelligentsia.&#8221;</p>
<p>The best quote of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hermano G., while I did say that I do not believe that hc is necessary or sufficient to serious scripture study, I also said that any serious student would have a healthy curiosity and respect for various approaches.&lt;/i&gt;

The empirical evidence suggests otherwise.  I know people who are suspicious of modern scholarship and not all that curious or interested in higher critical approaches, but yet who study the scriptures quite seriously.  My guess is that the folks in this thread who have not shown all that much interest in or curiousity about naive or folk  methods of reading the scripture are also probably serious students of scripture.  People who are serious students of *anything* using one methodology are more likely, not less likely, to scorn other methodologies.  Get to know the Old Adam.

&lt;i&gt; If that bespeaks a healthy curiosity and respect, I’ll eat Pecos Bill’s hat.&lt;/i&gt;

Fire up your typewriter and start cranking out your boast paragraphs, because I am about to laugh up my sleeve, or if you prefer and it remains uneaten, Pecos Bill&#039;s sleeve, about your reading comprehension skills yet again.

I never claimed to be a serious student of scripture.

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on the illiteracy stuff, the new Church New Testament videos fit your speculation.  We shall see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hermano G., while I did say that I do not believe that hc is necessary or sufficient to serious scripture study, I also said that any serious student would have a healthy curiosity and respect for various approaches.</i></p>
<p>The empirical evidence suggests otherwise.  I know people who are suspicious of modern scholarship and not all that curious or interested in higher critical approaches, but yet who study the scriptures quite seriously.  My guess is that the folks in this thread who have not shown all that much interest in or curiousity about naive or folk  methods of reading the scripture are also probably serious students of scripture.  People who are serious students of *anything* using one methodology are more likely, not less likely, to scorn other methodologies.  Get to know the Old Adam.</p>
<p><i> If that bespeaks a healthy curiosity and respect, I’ll eat Pecos Bill’s hat.</i></p>
<p>Fire up your typewriter and start cranking out your boast paragraphs, because I am about to laugh up my sleeve, or if you prefer and it remains uneaten, Pecos Bill&#8217;s sleeve, about your reading comprehension skills yet again.</p>
<p>I never claimed to be a serious student of scripture.</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
on the illiteracy stuff, the new Church New Testament videos fit your speculation.  We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Vader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it worth acknowledging that not all curiosity is healthy. There is such a thing as intellectual voyeurism. It is not unrelated to the intellectual onanism I have seen way too much of among the self-styled intelligentsia.

I do not know much about higher criticism, though I am at least aware of the E-Y documentary hypothesis in Genesis. Some of Quickmere&#039;s remarks reinforce my superficial impression that it is defined simply by what it is not: Taking sacred texts at face value. That can be a very good thing. It can also be a disaster. The devil is in the details.

I am myself willing to learn more about higher criticism. However, I am not yet ready to pick out colors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it worth acknowledging that not all curiosity is healthy. There is such a thing as intellectual voyeurism. It is not unrelated to the intellectual onanism I have seen way too much of among the self-styled intelligentsia.</p>
<p>I do not know much about higher criticism, though I am at least aware of the E-Y documentary hypothesis in Genesis. Some of Quickmere&#8217;s remarks reinforce my superficial impression that it is defined simply by what it is not: Taking sacred texts at face value. That can be a very good thing. It can also be a disaster. The devil is in the details.</p>
<p>I am myself willing to learn more about higher criticism. However, I am not yet ready to pick out colors.</p>
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		<title>By: some idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>some idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hermano G., while I did say that I do not believe that hc is necessary or sufficient to serious scripture study, I also said that any serious student would have a healthy curiosity and respect for various approaches. I read your original post as saying &quot;I don&#039;t like the DH or HC because I don&#039;t like the people who like them, and I don&#039;t like the influence they might have&quot;. If that bespeaks a healthy curiosity and respect, I&#039;ll eat Pecos Bill&#039;s hat.

If you continue to deride my reading comprehension skills I will be forced to write several paragraphs outlining my awesome brainpower, listing all my achievements to date as well as any I might accomplish in the future. You will learn about my IQ, which is quite high, as well as the fact that I was in honor courses in jr. high school.

Vader, I don&#039;t really know about percentages, but I&#039;d be surprised if the percentage of illiterates among us isn&#039;t somewhere north of 15%. Sons on missions in Latin America and the Caribbean tell me that most of their investigators can&#039;t read, so the missionaries read aloud to them. As we look to the future, I expect this condition to become more and more acute. It is a vexing problem, with no easy solution. Maybe a kind of books on tape with digital technology or something. Maybe instead of giving new members a triple combination when they are baptized, we&#039;ll start giving them a pre-loaded mp3 player. I imagine there are smart people in the presiding bishop&#039;s office thinking about this right now, in fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermano G., while I did say that I do not believe that hc is necessary or sufficient to serious scripture study, I also said that any serious student would have a healthy curiosity and respect for various approaches. I read your original post as saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t like the DH or HC because I don&#8217;t like the people who like them, and I don&#8217;t like the influence they might have&#8221;. If that bespeaks a healthy curiosity and respect, I&#8217;ll eat Pecos Bill&#8217;s hat.</p>
<p>If you continue to deride my reading comprehension skills I will be forced to write several paragraphs outlining my awesome brainpower, listing all my achievements to date as well as any I might accomplish in the future. You will learn about my IQ, which is quite high, as well as the fact that I was in honor courses in jr. high school.</p>
<p>Vader, I don&#8217;t really know about percentages, but I&#8217;d be surprised if the percentage of illiterates among us isn&#8217;t somewhere north of 15%. Sons on missions in Latin America and the Caribbean tell me that most of their investigators can&#8217;t read, so the missionaries read aloud to them. As we look to the future, I expect this condition to become more and more acute. It is a vexing problem, with no easy solution. Maybe a kind of books on tape with digital technology or something. Maybe instead of giving new members a triple combination when they are baptized, we&#8217;ll start giving them a pre-loaded mp3 player. I imagine there are smart people in the presiding bishop&#8217;s office thinking about this right now, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had no idea illiteracy was such a problem.  Much of it abroad?

If there is a new problem I&#039;m aware of, its that our culture is moving away from longform texts that don&#039;t interact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea illiteracy was such a problem.  Much of it abroad?</p>
<p>If there is a new problem I&#8217;m aware of, its that our culture is moving away from longform texts that don&#8217;t interact.</p>
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		<title>By: Vader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do we really have an illiteracy rate in the Church in excess of 15%?

Regardless, my impression is that the Church &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; been &quot;doing something&quot; about illiteracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we really have an illiteracy rate in the Church in excess of 15%?</p>
<p>Regardless, my impression is that the Church <em>has</em> been &#8220;doing something&#8221; about illiteracy.</p>
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