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February 08th, 2012 by Vader

Man in diabetic shock beaten by cops. I can only imagine what they’d do to someone as dependent on Class C medical devices as I am.    

His Majesty: “I’d think any cop worth his salt would try to shoot you on sight, Lord Vader. And it has nothing to do with your medical status.”

His Majesty has been trying to get me to give up some of my vacation time for some time now.

Comments (11)
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February 08th, 2012 11:57:20

Rob Holmes
February 8, 2012

I follow a couple of “anti-cop” type blogs and this kind of stuff seems to happen all the time. Whether it’s tasering Grandma or assaulting somebody for videotaping them, my opinion of our police men and women goes down a notch every time ANOTHER total abuse of our basic rights by the “serve and protect” monopoly is publicized.

Ben Pratt
February 8, 2012

The number of bad apples in police departments across the nation is bad, but the worst thing is the way departments shield those bad apples from the consequences of their (often fatal) actions.

John Mansfield
February 8, 2012

It’s disturbing how this is being framed as a problem because the man was in medical distress, as though it would have been understandable, even commendable, to beat an unresponsive drunk. Perhaps we get the police brutality we want, sometimes spilling over where we didn’t want it.

Rob Holmes
February 9, 2012

@Ben. Agreed. The police have the same code of silence as the Gadianton robbers.

@John. Exactly. I see this all the time on videos. If someone leads the police on chase rather than pulling over right away the police regularly beat the crap out of them when they finally get them stopped and out of the vehicle.

February 9, 2012


The hyperbole and overgeneralization I’m seeing here is making me regret the original post.

Gadiantonwin’s Law: Any Mormon-themed Internet thread that continues long enough will eventually bring up secret combinations. And, when it does, the conversation has run its useful course.

February 9, 2012

Come on, Vade, you and the emp are the past-masters of secret combos.

The BoM is for OUR day, secret combos and all.

I mentally substitute “connections” and “gangs” for combinations. When one discovers previously unknown connections, either politically, economically, or criminally, the wickedness or corruption is usually apparent.

Or in other words “follow the money” usually explains a lot. Hidden money connections usually buys a lot of political power.

February 9, 2012


So tell me where the money is in cops beating up drunks.

I think John Mansfield is on the mark.

Rob Holmes
February 9, 2012

Okay, overgeneralization apology tendered. I’m not saying all police = Gadianton robbers, but the parallels are there and it’s not hyperbole to look at police abuse. My friend who is a defense lawyer says that every police report contains at least one lie. Police that “snitch” don’t get promoted. There was a very depressing This American Life (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/09/the_village_voi_5.php) on a NYPD cop who wore a wire and caught a lot of his supervisors pushing quotas. The retribution from the NYPD was scary. They committed the guy to psychiatric ward against his will and without telling his family. They were still harassing the guy in upstate NY after he left the force. If you want to follow the money just look at civil asset forfeiture.

February 9, 2012

Vade, It’s not _all_ about the money. Brutality and abuse is a power trip, it’s about control and domination.

In this case, yes, Mansfield is right. Getting your ribs broken on the spot is not the legal punishment for driving while intoxicated.

And in this case the cops failed to distinguish “failure to comply” with “combactive resistence”. The subject failed to comply with the officers commands, not because he was resisting, but because he was physically unable to comply. However, the same could be said with a drunk (who was not being combative), many are physically unable to comply with the officers’ orders.

It is also part of a carry over from the mentality that many cops have to use domination and abuse (physical and psychological), even to the point of brutality, to control situations.

I’m not saying cops shouldn’t control such situations. The subjects they interact with are often dangers to the cops, third parties, and themselves.

I’d venture to say that the cops in this situation failed to follow accepted law-enforcement standards of responding with an escalation of force only to the degree needed to meet and control the subject’s resistance.

In the ideal situation, it’s the subject who controls the level of the cops’ response, because the cops should use only the sufficient force necessary to counter and control the subject.

In this case it appears the cops did not follow the continuum of escalation, and jumped straight to the “beat the crap out of him” level.

February 13, 2012


Well said.

February 13, 2012

The money is mainly higher up in the Criminal Justice industry. Street cops are just the minions. Allow them to be rowdy and rough up the scrotes, and they’re mostly happy.

The mayor’s office and chief (county or whatever the jurisdiction) prosecutor are the ones that need to be owned in order to effectively ‘control’ the police. Own those two, and a few key judgeships, and you essentially control the cops.

Another big money pile is in prisons. Lots of money to be made there (not just privatization, but in the construction and servicing), just not the guards/minions.

If you’ve ever watched the Edward James Olmos film “American Me”, one of the telling lines is (paraphrased from memory) “If you control the inside, you control the outside.”

I wrote an essay, probably scattered over several blog comments, on the Criminal Justice industry and war on drugs, but I forget where (all) I wrote it. It will take some googling to find the comments.

I have a friend who was a case-worker in a state prison, and he pretty much agreed with or confirmed much of my viewpoints and assessments of the CJ industry and the War on Drugs. It’s pretty much as scam. CJ is a _business_, and the War on Drugs isn’t really about drugs. I used to live in a drug-infested neigbhorhood, it was even within 1000 feet of a school. The War on Drugs is a joke. The police know their efforts are a drop in the bucket. If white middle-class america knew what goes on in the streets of cities, there’d be a middle-class revolution in the US, and perhaps even a race war.

There are countries that never developed a drug problem similar to ours, so they don’t have a model for us to follow in eliminating the existing drug problem.

Other countries have eliminated a drug problem, but the sticky wicket is that they had to apply a (quick/sure not-drawn-out process) death penalty to the *users*, not the *dealers*, to get rid of it.

It is essentially a law of supply and demand. As long as there is a demand, new suppliers will crop up if you remove the old suppliers. The addicts themselves create new suppliers. However, if you remove all the customers, the suppliers automatically go out of business.

Without an amnesty period of massive and free drug treatment, we’d have to kill off hundreds of thousands of (maybe over a million) addicts. And even with an amnesty and massive and free treatment programs, it would still be tens of thousands.

Think of all the money (millions) that Whitney Houston spent on drugs. How much of that went to cartels, who then committed HUNDREDS of thousands of murders since she started using drugs 20 years ago? (Look up the numbers, drug cartels in Mexico, Colombia, and the US, along with their dealer networks kill TENS of thousands per YEAR.)

There’s a TV commercial about drug money funding drug/cartel murders. I wonder what the ratio is: For every “X” number of dollars spent on drugs, 1 person is murdered.

(How much does an addict spend on drugs during the course of their life? Are they “responsible” for 1.0 or more killings?)

I’ll be VERY politically incorrect here and use from “Freakonomics” logic: If a hard-core user of illicit “hard” or imported drugs were to be executed at the point where they become addicted, that would very likely save the lives of 10 other people over the next 10 to 20 years.

Putting a dealer, distributor, or higher-level cartel person in prison for life, will just result in that person being replaced; it will stop/cure no addict, and it will save no lives.

Putting a drug “mule” in prison for 30 years (at the cost of $25,000/year) costs $750,000, and again prevents no murders, and cures no addicts.

Illegal immigration really isn’t the main problem (or only problem) with our porous Southern border. It’s also about drugs. If people seeking employment in the US can cross without getting caught, then drug couriers can cross without getting caught.

One of the reasons our government (or those who control our government) want an open border is for the drug flow, not just for the cheap labor.

The drug flow fuels our War on Drugs, and our criminal justice industry. Without the War on Drugs, the CJ industry would lose 75% of their “customers” currently residing in prisons.

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