Comments on: Gay Marriage or Religious Freedom: Pick One http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/ We endeavor to give satisfaction Wed, 23 May 2012 15:42:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Man SL http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-99171 Man SL Thu, 10 May 2012 22:57:37 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-99171 http://twitchy.com/2012/05/10/no-h8-gay-marriage-supporters-to-opponents-kill-yourselves/ http://twitchy.com/2012/05/10/no-h8-gay-marriage-supporters-to-opponents-kill-yourselves/

]]> By: Bookslinger http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68988 Bookslinger Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:35:50 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68988 once: Maybe I didn't read his article close enough. I thought Robert George was talking about discrimination against anti-SSM people, not discrimination against gays in employment/housing. once: Maybe I didn’t read his article close enough. I thought Robert George was talking about discrimination against anti-SSM people, not discrimination against gays in employment/housing.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68963 John Mansfield Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:34:18 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68963 I read that this Santorum fellow is drawing jeers from any-sex marriage supporters. So, he has at least that much going for him. I read that this Santorum fellow is drawing jeers from any-sex marriage supporters. So, he has at least that much going for him.

]]> By: onceuponatime http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68933 onceuponatime Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:07:35 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68933 twicet, 1. Mr. George argues forcefully against any kind of accomodation to gay rights. That includes not only gay marriage but also laws preventing employment discrimination against homosexuals in his argument. Adam also is strongly against gay privilege or special protection for homosexuals. The think seems to be that any accommodation whatsoever will lead to a mainstreaming or normalization of homosexuality. This argument may well be correct. 2. Over the past 4 or 5 years, the LDS church has tentatively staked out a position where it seems to favor some rules preventing discrimination against homosexuals. It has done this through its actions and by statements from at least one apostle and the church's official spokesman. The church has explicitly endorsed non-discrimination in employment and housing while still arguing strongly against gay marriage or adoption. I don't know it that position is tenable over the long term, and I suspect that might be the point of Adam's post. 3. There is some daylight between the position outlined by Mr. George and the position the church has taken, and I think the differences are worth pointing out, especially since several commenters accused those favoring limited gay rights of being sexual libertines or favoring a generalized expansion of homosexuality in society. I don't think those things are true of either Jeffrey R. Holland or Michael Otterson, so we need to find a different explanation. 4. Please tell me where me reading comprehension is deficient. If possible, please use only mono-syllabic words so I can understand. twicet,

1. Mr. George argues forcefully against any kind of accomodation to gay rights. That includes not only gay marriage but also laws preventing employment discrimination against homosexuals in his argument. Adam also is strongly against gay privilege or special protection for homosexuals. The think seems to be that any accommodation whatsoever will lead to a mainstreaming or normalization of homosexuality. This argument may well be correct.

2. Over the past 4 or 5 years, the LDS church has tentatively staked out a position where it seems to favor some rules preventing discrimination against homosexuals. It has done this through its actions and by statements from at least one apostle and the church’s official spokesman. The church has explicitly endorsed non-discrimination in employment and housing while still arguing strongly against gay marriage or adoption. I don’t know it that position is tenable over the long term, and I suspect that might be the point of Adam’s post.

3. There is some daylight between the position outlined by Mr. George and the position the church has taken, and I think the differences are worth pointing out, especially since several commenters accused those favoring limited gay rights of being sexual libertines or favoring a generalized expansion of homosexuality in society. I don’t think those things are true of either Jeffrey R. Holland or Michael Otterson, so we need to find a different explanation.

4. Please tell me where me reading comprehension is deficient. If possible, please use only mono-syllabic words so I can understand.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68754 John Mansfield Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:12:40 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68754 The discriminate application is notable, but so in other ways is the lack of discrimination. What may have started as focus on a few particular issues grows into a general imperative to doubt everything. Every teaching and practice of the Church is found lacking. The discriminate application is notable, but so in other ways is the lack of discrimination. What may have started as focus on a few particular issues grows into a general imperative to doubt everything. Every teaching and practice of the Church is found lacking.

]]> By: Adam G. http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68703 Adam G. Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:23:48 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68703 Twiceuponatime, the nature of my rebellion is I'm a wicked old sinner. Secretly wishing I was an albino hair-shirt monk assassin is seconary. John Mansfield, funny how context, nuance, and deconstruction are somewhat, ah, discriminate in their application. Twiceuponatime,
the nature of my rebellion is I’m a wicked old sinner. Secretly wishing I was an albino hair-shirt monk assassin is seconary.

John Mansfield,
funny how context, nuance, and deconstruction are somewhat, ah, discriminate in their application.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68679 John Mansfield Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:09:17 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68679 When every publication of the Church is a mass of confusion that disintegrates into meaninglessness under application of advanced reading skills, it is important to treasure every snippet that you agree with, and therefore understand. When every publication of the Church is a mass of confusion that disintegrates into meaninglessness under application of advanced reading skills, it is important to treasure every snippet that you agree with, and therefore understand.

]]> By: twiceuponatime http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68551 twiceuponatime Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:22:14 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68551 once - that indicates problems with reading comprehension on your part and on whoever posted that link at BCC, not something wrong with Adam and the rest here. once -

that indicates problems with reading comprehension on your part and on whoever posted that link at BCC, not something wrong with Adam and the rest here.

]]> By: onceuponatime http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68511 onceuponatime Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:09:15 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68511 twice, in Adam's first line, he says "gay marriage and special protections for homosexuality". The commenters then all piled on, implying that anybody who would favor any kind of gay rights is secretly some kind of sexual libertine, or stupid. Within the past 12 months, both Jeffrey R. Holland and Michael Otterson have spoken publicly in favor of revising SLC's statues to include protection for homosexuals against discrimination in housing and employment. I would like to hear a little of discussion here about how to reconcile the views expressed in this blog post with the views expressed by Holland and Otterson. twice, in Adam’s first line, he says “gay marriage and special protections for homosexuality”. The commenters then all piled on, implying that anybody who would favor any kind of gay rights is secretly some kind of sexual libertine, or stupid.

Within the past 12 months, both Jeffrey R. Holland and Michael Otterson have spoken publicly in favor of revising SLC’s statues to include protection for homosexuals against discrimination in housing and employment. I would like to hear a little of discussion here about how to reconcile the views expressed in this blog post with the views expressed by Holland and Otterson.

]]> By: twiceuponatime http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/12/29/gay-marriage-or-religious-freedom-pick-one/comment-page-1/#comment-68395 twiceuponatime Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:44:05 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=6568#comment-68395 I'm not sure what BCC means by the link over to here, but I think they've just accused Adam G. and the rest of all y'all of being in rebellion against the prophets and apostles because you secretly wish you were Catholic, or something. I’m not sure what BCC means by the link over to here, but I think they’ve just accused Adam G. and the rest of all y’all of being in rebellion against the prophets and apostles because you secretly wish you were Catholic, or something.

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