Comments on: Howls in the Ears of the Young http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/ We endeavor to give satisfaction Tue, 22 May 2012 23:29:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Adam G. http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37212 Adam G. Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:35:07 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37212 Books., I believe movie ratings are voluntary. Books.,
I believe movie ratings are voluntary.

]]> By: Bookslinger http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37206 Bookslinger Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:49:57 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37206 (oops, flubbed the /blockquote) It also seems to me to have already had a precedent: Movie ratings. Why can't video games come under the same umbrella? (oops, flubbed the /blockquote)

It also seems to me to have already had a precedent: Movie ratings. Why can’t video games come under the same umbrella?

]]> By: Bookslinger http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37205 Bookslinger Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:48:35 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37205 <blockquote>Children are taught, reactivated, converted, and etc. Of course, the church does not *baptize* children 18 and younger without parental consent. Significant distinction. Where? And by who? Home teachers? Missionaries? Sorry, Charlie, any ward (or missionary) that is teaching or reactivating or converting children against the wishes of their parents (members or non-members) is just plain in the wrong. Just because the parents (or even the kids) are already members, that doesn't give the church any right of access to the children without the parents' permission. Permission in such cases is usually verbal, and most likely tacit/implicit versus explicit, but it's there.

Children are taught, reactivated, converted, and etc. Of course, the church does not *baptize* children 18 and younger without parental consent. Significant distinction.

Where? And by who? Home teachers? Missionaries? Sorry, Charlie, any ward (or missionary) that is teaching or reactivating or converting children against the wishes of their parents (members or non-members) is just plain in the wrong.

Just because the parents (or even the kids) are already members, that doesn’t give the church any right of access to the children without the parents’ permission. Permission in such cases is usually verbal, and most likely tacit/implicit versus explicit, but it’s there.

]]> By: MC http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37117 MC Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:05:55 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37117 I second Vader. It blows me away that Scalia voted for this. If you told the founders that the First Amendment would eventually prohibit the states from banning sales of inappropriate material to minors, they would have just stared at you. Probably because of your modern-day clothes and accent, but still... I second Vader. It blows me away that Scalia voted for this. If you told the founders that the First Amendment would eventually prohibit the states from banning sales of inappropriate material to minors, they would have just stared at you. Probably because of your modern-day clothes and accent, but still…

]]> By: Vader http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37102 Vader Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:27:11 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37102 I, too, was troubled by the ruling, and more so that men normally as sensible as Scalia, Alito and Roberts concurred in it. I, too, was troubled by the ruling, and more so that men normally as sensible as Scalia, Alito and Roberts concurred in it.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37092 Adam Greenwood Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:30:16 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37092 SP Bailey, perhaps this is a matter of local practice? Everywhere I've been, the missionaries have been required to get parental permission to teach. Also, legally, its very likely the case that parents can forbid further teaching if they find out about it. SP Bailey,
perhaps this is a matter of local practice? Everywhere I’ve been, the missionaries have been required to get parental permission to teach.
Also, legally, its very likely the case that parents can forbid further teaching if they find out about it.

]]> By: S.P. Bailey http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37090 S.P. Bailey Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:48:10 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37090 Perhaps that should be "children under 18." I don't have my copies of the CHI or the white bible handy. Perhaps that should be “children under 18.” I don’t have my copies of the CHI or the white bible handy.

]]> By: S.P. Bailey http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37089 S.P. Bailey Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:45:04 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37089 Children are taught, reactivated, converted, and etc. Of course, the church does not *baptize* children 18 and younger without parental consent. Significant distinction. Children are taught, reactivated, converted, and etc. Of course, the church does not *baptize* children 18 and younger without parental consent. Significant distinction.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37087 Adam Greenwood Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:22:29 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37087 SP Bailey, I disagree as a matter of both natural right (though gets a little fuzzy) and American tradition. In fact, the Church makes a point of not teaching minors without their parents' consent. SP Bailey,
I disagree as a matter of both natural right (though gets a little fuzzy) and American tradition. In fact, the Church makes a point of not teaching minors without their parents’ consent.

]]> By: S.P. Bailey http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/06/28/howls-in-the-ears-of-the-young/comment-page-1/#comment-37083 S.P. Bailey Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:50:51 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=5342#comment-37083 State laws that attempt to backstop parental efforts to limit children's exposure to violent/sexual material are undoubtedly motivated by good intentions. I will do all I can to keep harmful media away from my children. But why should I trust state legislatures to decide what speech serves all minors best? I don't buy Thomas's argument that minors have no right to speech or right to access to speech. Scalia's point about religious speech to minors in footnote 3 of the main opinion is compelling. Bishops, home teachers, scout leaders, YM and YW leaders, missionaries, and others have the right, without first obtaining parental consent, to show young people whose parents have failed them a better way. State laws that attempt to backstop parental efforts to limit children’s exposure to violent/sexual material are undoubtedly motivated by good intentions. I will do all I can to keep harmful media away from my children.
But why should I trust state legislatures to decide what speech serves all minors best?

I don’t buy Thomas’s argument that minors have no right to speech or right to access to speech. Scalia’s point about religious speech to minors in footnote 3 of the main opinion is compelling. Bishops, home teachers, scout leaders, YM and YW leaders, missionaries, and others have the right, without first obtaining parental consent, to show young people whose parents have failed them a better way.

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