Comments on: Philadelphia Abortionist Arrested http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/ We endeavor to give satisfaction Tue, 22 May 2012 16:20:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bookslinger http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24536 Bookslinger Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:21:15 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24536 Based on the headlines and talking points of what people (on both sides of the abortion debate) are so shocked about, if the doctor had merely obeyed 3 rules: 1) kill the baby prior to extraction, and 2) dispose of the remains properly, 3) don't sterilize/hurt/kill the mother, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. This "viability" construct as a point prior to which abortion is okay, and after which abortion is not okay, seems too artificial, too much man-created as an excuse or weasel-word to justify abortion. The end result of an abortion procedure, pre-viability, or post-viability, is the same. To argue that 1st (or 1st and 2nd) trimester abortions are okay, but 3rd trimester abortions are not seems illogical to me. Those who compromise to allow early term abortions (or who compromise to disallow late term abortions) are not being morally or logically consistent in my view. Once you accept 3rd trimester abortions (or abortions of a viable baby), extending that logic, whether the doctor in question killed babies pre-extraction or post-extraction seems immaterial. His rejoinder to any abortion supporter who is aghast that he killed the baby post-extraction is "You got what you wanted. So why are you complaining?" Those who are not aghast at 3rd term abortions wherein a baby is killed pre-extraction, logically should not be aghast at what this doctor did. And if you're not aghast at killing a baby 2 seconds after a live birth, at what point in time would it start to matter, 2 years? Those who are aghast at what he did, must also be aghast at 3rd term abortions. And if you believe the "viability" construct is immaterial from either a moral standpoint, or a "results are the same" standpoint, then there would be no logical/moral difference between a 1st trimester abortion and a 3rd trimester abortion. Based on the headlines and talking points of what people (on both sides of the abortion debate) are so shocked about, if the doctor had merely obeyed 3 rules: 1) kill the baby prior to extraction, and 2) dispose of the remains properly, 3) don’t sterilize/hurt/kill the mother, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

This “viability” construct as a point prior to which abortion is okay, and after which abortion is not okay, seems too artificial, too much man-created as an excuse or weasel-word to justify abortion.

The end result of an abortion procedure, pre-viability, or post-viability, is the same. To argue that 1st (or 1st and 2nd) trimester abortions are okay, but 3rd trimester abortions are not seems illogical to me. Those who compromise to allow early term abortions (or who compromise to disallow late term abortions) are not being morally or logically consistent in my view.

Once you accept 3rd trimester abortions (or abortions of a viable baby), extending that logic, whether the doctor in question killed babies pre-extraction or post-extraction seems immaterial. His rejoinder to any abortion supporter who is aghast that he killed the baby post-extraction is “You got what you wanted. So why are you complaining?”

Those who are not aghast at 3rd term abortions wherein a baby is killed pre-extraction, logically should not be aghast at what this doctor did. And if you’re not aghast at killing a baby 2 seconds after a live birth, at what point in time would it start to matter, 2 years?

Those who are aghast at what he did, must also be aghast at 3rd term abortions.

And if you believe the “viability” construct is immaterial from either a moral standpoint, or a “results are the same” standpoint, then there would be no logical/moral difference between a 1st trimester abortion and a 3rd trimester abortion.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24411 Adam Greenwood Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:42:15 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24411 Abortion absolutists: http://www.slate.com/id/2281812/ Abortion absolutists:

http://www.slate.com/id/2281812/

]]> By: Hollow-chested MSM http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24323 Hollow-chested MSM Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:56:13 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24323 I can't get this page to load for some reason. Whatever's on it, I'm sure its interesting. http://minx.cc/?post=311021 I can’t get this page to load for some reason. Whatever’s on it, I’m sure its interesting.

http://minx.cc/?post=311021

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24235 Adam Greenwood Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:53:35 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24235 http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJuryWomensMedical.pdf

]]> By: S.P. Bailey http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24234 S.P. Bailey Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:51:12 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24234 Illegal, dangerous, and relentless. Illegal, dangerous, and relentless.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24233 Adam Greenwood Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:50:35 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24233 One of the serious charges here is that Pennsylvania authorities ignored complaints against this abortionist and generally took a light approach to monitoring abortion clinics that they took to no other medical operation. Abortionists are not technically a privileged class under our law, but they are close to it. One of the serious charges here is that Pennsylvania authorities ignored complaints against this abortionist and generally took a light approach to monitoring abortion clinics that they took to no other medical operation.

Abortionists are not technically a privileged class under our law, but they are close to it.

]]> By: Vader http://www.jrganymede.com/2011/01/19/philadelphia-abortionist-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-24216 Vader Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:19:39 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/?p=4176#comment-24216 It has always been a short jump from abortion to infanticide. Some slopes really are slippery. It has always been a short jump from abortion to infanticide. Some slopes really are slippery.

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