Comments on: Why I quit Times and Seasons http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/ We endeavor to give satisfaction Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:44:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Vader http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8812 Vader Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:08:48 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8812 Further reinforcing Adam's point. Further reinforcing Adam’s point.

]]> By: Julie K http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8809 Julie K Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:12:10 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8809 Adam, I think of it more as a graduation out of the church...no falling involved. :) Adam, I think of it more as a graduation out of the church…no falling involved. :)

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8786 Adam Greenwood Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:11:53 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8786 Precisely. I left T&S because at least some of its bloggers could be glad they helped someone on their spiritual fall out of the church. Precisely. I left T&S because at least some of its bloggers could be glad they helped someone on their spiritual fall out of the church.

]]> By: Kaimi http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8770 Kaimi Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:55:28 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8770 Hi Julie, It's good to hear from you. I'm glad that the blog played a role in your spiritual journey. I don't think that exit from the church is the right option for everyone; but it seems to make some people happier, and if our discussions helped you find a place of understanding and growth in your own life, then I'm glad that we were able to have those discussions with you. Thanks for sharing your story. (I do suspect that others' opinions may vary somewhat from my own.) Hi Julie,

It’s good to hear from you. I’m glad that the blog played a role in your spiritual journey. I don’t think that exit from the church is the right option for everyone; but it seems to make some people happier, and if our discussions helped you find a place of understanding and growth in your own life, then I’m glad that we were able to have those discussions with you. Thanks for sharing your story.

(I do suspect that others’ opinions may vary somewhat from my own.)

]]> By: Julie K http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8756 Julie K Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:57:24 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8756 Hi guys! I was a very faithful reader of T&S for many years starting in the summer of 2004. Adam, Kaimi, Steve Evans, and Nate O were constantly discussing controversial subjects and opening my eyes to subjects that I had never ever considered as a very faithful member of the LDS church. Watching you four interact and disagree about everything taught me the art of critical thinking, and I have since put it to good use examining my beliefs. As a result, I no longer consider myself a mormon. And that is nothing short of miraculous! Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart (and soul) for helping me see things that I never would have seen without your help! Best wishes to you and yours. Warmest regards, Julie K Hi guys!
I was a very faithful reader of T&S for many years starting in the summer of 2004. Adam, Kaimi, Steve Evans, and Nate O were constantly discussing controversial subjects and opening my eyes to subjects that I had never ever considered as a very faithful member of the LDS church. Watching you four interact and disagree about everything taught me the art of critical thinking, and I have since put it to good use examining my beliefs. As a result, I no longer consider myself a mormon. And that is nothing short of miraculous!

Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart (and soul) for helping me see things that I never would have seen without your help!
Best wishes to you and yours.
Warmest regards, Julie K

]]> By: Lovecraft http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8512 Lovecraft Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:21:57 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8512 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn

]]> By: hoangminhtwo http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8488 hoangminhtwo Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:25:03 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8488 Có tất cả những mẫu thông dụng hàng ngày: mẫu đơn, mẫu hợp đồng, biên bản, công văn, báo cáo, các mẫu phiếu, mẫu đăng ký... Tất cả đều được soạn thảo cẩn thận, và hoàn toàn MIỄN PHÍ. Bạn có thể download, chia sẻ tự do mà ko cần qua bất kỳ một khâu đăng ký, ghi danh nào hết. Tại sao phải bỏ tiền để mua các Mẫu văn bản, tại sao phải mất công để soạn hợp đồng? Rất hay! Có tất cả những mẫu thông dụng hàng ngày: mẫu đơn, mẫu hợp đồng, biên bản, công văn, báo cáo, các mẫu phiếu, mẫu đăng ký…
Tất cả đều được soạn thảo cẩn thận, và hoàn toàn MIỄN PHÍ. Bạn có thể download, chia sẻ tự do mà ko cần qua bất kỳ một khâu đăng ký, ghi danh nào hết.
Tại sao phải bỏ tiền để mua các Mẫu văn bản, tại sao phải mất công để soạn hợp đồng?

Rất hay!

]]> By: Mark Brown http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8087 Mark Brown Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:26 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8087 Yes, I can. Yes, I can.

]]> By: Bruce Nielson http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8074 Bruce Nielson Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:22:15 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8074 Kaimi, you've got a fantastic sense of humor. You and Adam are more similar than either of you realize (and I mean that as a compliment to both of you.) I have a sincere question for you. What's wrong with documenting things like this? I personally really liked Kevin's post. But if this bother's Adam (and I can see why it might) I think commenting on it has got to be seen as legitimate as when you are someone else criticizes the LDS Church leader’s teachings. I'm uncomfortable with what I see as a "dual standard" of sorts on the bloggernacle – though I do not believe it’s intentional. It seems to me that the more “liberal” points of view are seen as "personal" and thus "off limits" for direct criticism. (Or at least we all recognize those that do as being jerks.) But the "standard beliefs" are somehow "not personal" and thus it's okay to criticize them with much harsher and often mocking words and no one ever calls people on it in quite the same way. I, for one, think mocking is always wrong (though one person’s mocking might be another person’s legitimate ribbing I suppose. I’m not saying we should remove color from our conversations) but I rather think we have to learn to treat all questions of belief equal before any real dialog can start – even if we’re talking about one person’s personal beliefs. For me, that starts with us all coming clean about what we believe so that we can actually share and learn from one another. I think it’s wrong for someone to hide their beliefs while criticizing others beliefs. Kaimi, you’ve got a fantastic sense of humor. You and Adam are more similar than either of you realize (and I mean that as a compliment to both of you.)

I have a sincere question for you. What’s wrong with documenting things like this?

I personally really liked Kevin’s post. But if this bother’s Adam (and I can see why it might) I think commenting on it has got to be seen as legitimate as when you are someone else criticizes the LDS Church leader’s teachings.

I’m uncomfortable with what I see as a “dual standard” of sorts on the bloggernacle – though I do not believe it’s intentional. It seems to me that the more “liberal” points of view are seen as “personal” and thus “off limits” for direct criticism. (Or at least we all recognize those that do as being jerks.)

But the “standard beliefs” are somehow “not personal” and thus it’s okay to criticize them with much harsher and often mocking words and no one ever calls people on it in quite the same way.

I, for one, think mocking is always wrong (though one person’s mocking might be another person’s legitimate ribbing I suppose. I’m not saying we should remove color from our conversations) but I rather think we have to learn to treat all questions of belief equal before any real dialog can start – even if we’re talking about one person’s personal beliefs.

For me, that starts with us all coming clean about what we believe so that we can actually share and learn from one another. I think it’s wrong for someone to hide their beliefs while criticizing others beliefs.

]]> By: Kaimi http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/comment-page-4/#comment-8067 Kaimi Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:16:12 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/why-i-quit-times-and-seasons/#comment-8067 Let's not lose focus, people. This thread is about *me*. If you need a place to bash on BCC generally, I can open up a post for you at T&S, or you can open one here. Besides, I'm certain that my documentable faults make anything you can find at BCC pale in comparison . . . put together. Steve Evans is French for poseur. (The only exception is Aaron Brown. But if you're going to document his faults, you're going to need a few more posts, and some research assistants.) Let’s not lose focus, people. This thread is about *me*. If you need a place to bash on BCC generally, I can open up a post for you at T&S, or you can open one here.

Besides, I’m certain that my documentable faults make anything you can find at BCC pale in comparison . . . put together. Steve Evans is French for poseur.

(The only exception is Aaron Brown. But if you’re going to document his faults, you’re going to need a few more posts, and some research assistants.)

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