Comments on: The sin of pride versus the sin of unchastity; Ezra Taft Benson versus Jacob http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/ We endeavor to give satisfaction Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:13:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-301 Adam Greenwood Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:28:19 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-301 Agellius, I didn't understand that such was the distinction between the 7 Deadly Sins and the other ones--what, venial sins? Agellius,
I didn’t understand that such was the distinction between the 7 Deadly Sins and the other ones–what, venial sins?

]]> By: Agellius http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-295 Agellius Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:47:07 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-295 'The key is in President Benson’s statement that “pride is the universal sin.” Unlike Jacob, he is not talking about pride as one specific kind of sin. He is talking about pride as the common factor in every sin.' I agree too. For us Catholics, pride is one of the 7 capital sins (as is lust), meaning not that they are always sins in themselves, but that taken together they underlie and lead to all other sins. In other words it's not pride and lust per se, it's the sins they lead us to commit. ‘The key is in President Benson’s statement that “pride is the universal sin.” Unlike Jacob, he is not talking about pride as one specific kind of sin. He is talking about pride as the common factor in every sin.’

I agree too. For us Catholics, pride is one of the 7 capital sins (as is lust), meaning not that they are always sins in themselves, but that taken together they underlie and lead to all other sins. In other words it’s not pride and lust per se, it’s the sins they lead us to commit.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-294 Adam Greenwood Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:44:20 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-294 Well put. Well put.

]]> By: Kent G. Budge http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-293 Kent G. Budge Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:39:35 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-293 It strikes me that this is a little like asking which is worse, the <i>mens rea</i> or <i>actus reus</i> of a crime. Both are essential elements of a crime. Pride is the <i>mens rea</i> of sin, the act of unchastity the <i>actus reus</i>. It is impossible to commit humble adultery, nor to be proud without committing sinful acts. It strikes me that this is a little like asking which is worse, the mens rea or actus reus of a crime. Both are essential elements of a crime.

Pride is the mens rea of sin, the act of unchastity the actus reus. It is impossible to commit humble adultery, nor to be proud without committing sinful acts.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-212 Adam Greenwood Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:31:28 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-212 Mr. EB, I think President Benson would agree with you. I sometimes think that idolatry is the root of all evil and that pride is just a subset of idolatry where our idol is ourselves. But maybe every idolatry starts with a little bit of rebellion, deciding to worship what *you* want to worship. Mr. EB,
I think President Benson would agree with you.
I sometimes think that idolatry is the root of all evil and that pride is just a subset of idolatry where our idol is ourselves. But maybe every idolatry starts with a little bit of rebellion, deciding to worship what *you* want to worship.

]]> By: Ed Britton http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Ed Britton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:29:32 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-211 I've meditated on the 'what is pride?' question, since pride seems to be the beginning of sin. Without the element of pride, can a thought or act even be a sin? Is 'pride' the defining attribute of sin? If we are truly without pride, then are we also without sin? What do you think? I’ve meditated on the ‘what is pride?’ question, since pride seems to be the beginning of sin. Without the element of pride, can a thought or act even be a sin? Is ‘pride’ the defining attribute of sin? If we are truly without pride, then are we also without sin?

What do you think?

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-195 Adam Greenwood Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:04:18 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-195 "There’s no reason to reconcile the two positions. Ezra Taft Benson was a later prophet than Jacob; therefore, his revelations and speeches take precedence. We always look to the living prophets rather than the dead ones." Except that the living prophets tell us to look to the dead ones. "Search the scriptures," they say. Agreed that if there's an irreconciliable conflict, the living prophet normally takes precedence. But we can't know that there's an irreconciliable conflict until we've tried to reconcile them. “There’s no reason to reconcile the two positions. Ezra Taft Benson was a later prophet than Jacob; therefore, his revelations and speeches take precedence.

We always look to the living prophets rather than the dead ones.”

Except that the living prophets tell us to look to the dead ones. “Search the scriptures,” they say. Agreed that if there’s an irreconciliable conflict, the living prophet normally takes precedence. But we can’t know that there’s an irreconciliable conflict until we’ve tried to reconcile them.

]]> By: Matt http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Matt Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:30:15 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-191 A great post. I don't think there's any real conflict, and really like your sythesis of the two thoughts. A great post. I don’t think there’s any real conflict, and really like your sythesis of the two thoughts.

]]> By: Ed Britton http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Ed Britton Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:28:55 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-190 Both 'pride' and 'sexual sin' are very broad categories that capture sins of many different degrees. Of course there is a lot of overlap in seriousness between the two. I think the question is pretty academic in any case. I tend to agree that the most serious sin is the one that you're having the most trouble with at the moment, regardless of the category(s) that it might fit into. But I'd certainly agree with Ezra Taft Benson that pride is very fundamental. Both ‘pride’ and ‘sexual sin’ are very broad categories that capture sins of many different degrees. Of course there is a lot of overlap in seriousness between the two. I think the question is pretty academic in any case. I tend to agree that the most serious sin is the one that you’re having the most trouble with at the moment, regardless of the category(s) that it might fit into. But I’d certainly agree with Ezra Taft Benson that pride is very fundamental.

]]> By: GJB http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/comment-page-1/#comment-112 GJB Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:37:02 +0000 http://www.jrganymede.com/2009/04/08/the-sin-of-pride-versus-the-sin-of-unchastity-ezra-taft-benson-versus-jacob/#comment-112 There's no reason to reconcile the two positions. Ezra Taft Benson was a later profit than Jacob; therefore, his revelations and speeches take precedence. We always look to the living prophets rather than the dead ones. There’s no reason to reconcile the two positions. Ezra Taft Benson was a later profit than Jacob; therefore, his revelations and speeches take precedence.

We always look to the living prophets rather than the dead ones.

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